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steveoutlaw Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2014 Posts: 211 Location: Woodbridge, VA
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 6:54 am Post subject: Paint code - no luck |
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So I have a 1971 ghia I found in a barn. It's been painted several times and it looks like the OG color was a blue, but it's hard to tell. There is no label with the paint code on it in the trunk and I can't find anything anywhere else. Short of ordering the birth certificate, is there any way to figure it out? Possibly a paint code hiding where I don't know about it.
Also, is there any way to just view your Ghia birth certificate? I know that you can order one, but with all this modern technology you would think you could go to a site and enter the VIN to get a pic of it. |
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tmb077 Samba Member
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steveoutlaw Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2014 Posts: 211 Location: Woodbridge, VA
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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Thanks! Looks to be Gemini Metallic. Now I just need to research what that actually looks like with modern paint. |
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kman Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 739 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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You can also look on the shelf behind the rear seat (under the carpet) the color is often written there in German. |
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Mellow Yellow 74 Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2014 Posts: 1615 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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steveoutlaw wrote: |
Also, is there any way to just view your Ghia birth certificate? I know that you can order one, but with all this modern technology you would think you could go to a site and enter the VIN to get a pic of it. |
No they are made to order based on factory records _________________ 1962 Karmann Ghia
1974 Deluxe Microbus
1985 Caravelle (Vanagon) |
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steveoutlaw Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2014 Posts: 211 Location: Woodbridge, VA
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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Mellow Yellow 74 wrote: |
No they are made to order based on factory records |
Understand. I was just hoping that the database they use to get the information to make them could be accessed and you could search the information yourself. Not sure I want to waste $75 on a piece of paper. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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Mellow Yellow 74 Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2014 Posts: 1615 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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steveoutlaw wrote: |
I was just hoping that the database they use to get the information to make them could be accessed and you could search the information yourself. Not sure I want to waste $75 on a piece of paper. |
I don't they they have uploaded the details of the millions of VW's produced over the last 70 years onto a database that you can search online for free. Someone has to search and find the information and that's why they charge $75. _________________ 1962 Karmann Ghia
1974 Deluxe Microbus
1985 Caravelle (Vanagon) |
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Zack1978 Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2006 Posts: 544 Location: NJ
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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How about L50E Adratic Blue _________________ 1972 Coupe |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13958 Location: Southampton U.K.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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steveoutlaw wrote: |
Mellow Yellow 74 wrote: |
No they are made to order based on factory records |
Understand. I was just hoping that the database they use to get the information to make them could be accessed and you could search the information yourself. Not sure I want to waste $75 on a piece of paper. |
It would be a hugely time consuming and labour intensive operation as the database they have is held on microfiche. I believe there is just one lady who sits and ruins her eyesight squinting at an often incomplete and hard to read record.
Good value for $75 when you consider it's the only place you can get your information. Can you imagine the outcry if they stopped offering the service. It ain't a top money earner for VAG at the moment so get it while you can. _________________ John.
Judson Supercharger Information on The Samba
My 1958 Shorrock Supercharged Karmann Ghia
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NOVA Airhead Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2005 Posts: 5221 Location: Richmond, VA
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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Absolutely a good value and be glad that you can even get the information!
As an example try to obtain information like this for a pre-1967 Corvette. Somebody at GM thought that production records were not worth keeping for these cars and tossed them. They don't exist. A real plus for people who put together bogus cars. _________________ Ghia Owner Emeritus |
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steveoutlaw Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2014 Posts: 211 Location: Woodbridge, VA
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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Don't get me wrong folks, it is awesome that this is available. I was just looking for a shortcut and hoping that someone had digitized the records. Looks like I'll have to go through the birth certificate process, I was just trying to see if I could find out my OG color without having to wait 8 months to determine the color. |
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2878 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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I've been following your thread from the beginning. The problem starts here, I think, where you said,
"...with all this modern technology you would think you could go to a site and enter the VIN to get a pic of it..."
I think modern technology and our cars are not quite compatible. I agree with Mellow Yellow about the cost/value of the certificate. I think the certificate adds value to the car as evidence of its provenance, especially as far as its original colour, date of manufacture and destination are concerned. The certificate also lists some details about accessories and other details that make each car unique.
It's that information which makes it worth the fee. And as the difference between a $5 and a $500 note demonstrates, the value of a piece of paper is determined by what's written on it, and its author.
Could we have some pics of your car please? _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Paint code - no luck |
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I was just trying to see if I could find out my OG color without having to wait 8 months to determine the color. |
There are ways to figure it out you just have to take the time and look. There are very, very few ghias with resprays that have COMPLETE color changes. Look where it would be difficult to paint. Have you removed interior door panels? Looked up under the dash, above radio? under gas tank, wheel wells, behind the sound deadening in the engine area..... 99% of the time these cars were not valuable enough to pay a painter to remove everything for a paint job. They also rarely did "down to the metal" prep work. Since you plan to paint it...you can slowly sand off the current paint and find out what is underneath. Original color would be the last color before you get to the gray/white VW primer. Good luck. _________________ GhiaBuild
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=481184
1967 DC build
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=693583&highlight=67+dc
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