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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2015 Posts: 201 Location: Kauai
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:49 am Post subject: wiring for engine swap |
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Long story short I have a 78 vanagon bus for parts she have a 2.0 engine i want to swap engines with my 72 bay window that have a 1600cc.
the pancake engine is FI. I like to know what wires i need to take off the donor.
Should i take the entire harness?
where i can find the engine numbers on this kind of engines
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Keith Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2005 Posts: 3634 Location: Brodheadsville, PA
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:27 am Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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Not a Vanagon, those started in 1980 and are a completely different body style.
You need the harness, the relays and the brain as well as the airbox because the MAF is located in it. _________________ Formerly known in the forums as "OVALTEEN"
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22670 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:31 am Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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ALOHA 71 wrote: |
Long story short I have a 78 vanagon bus for parts she have a 2.0 engine i want to swap engines with my 72 bay window that have a 1600cc.
the pancake engine is FI. I like to know what wires i need to take off the donor.
Should i take the entire harness?
where i can find the engine numbers on this kind of engines
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That grinder option (GO) is not OG. Wrong color for that year. _________________ .ssS! |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:38 am Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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that looks like a complete 1978 engine. Take everything without cutting it. That includes the fuel pump, filter, air cleaner, ECU, FI cables, trans etc. Go slow and get it right. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2015 Posts: 201 Location: Kauai
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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Keith, that grinder is aftermarket similar color LOL
I have the everything from the fuse box all the way back to the engine bay it look like no one mess with the wiring.
Will it be easier to take the fuse box and swap it?
Thanks Kent, i will do it right since it is extremely hard to find part around here.
Any other suggestions will be great thank so much. |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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ALOHA 71 wrote: |
Keith, that grinder is aftermarket similar color LOL
I have the everything from the fuse box all the way back to the engine bay it look like no one mess with the wiring.
Will it be easier to take the fuse box and swap it?
Thanks Kent, i will do it right since it is extremely hard to find part around here.
Any other suggestions will be great thank so much. |
Take switches and everything too if you can. 100% of the wiring and put it in the new one. _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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It just takes four wires to hook up the FI to a non fuel injection vehicle IIRC.
12+ B+ (unswitched)
12+ Ignition (switched)
Wire from starter solenoid to double relay to activate fuel pump and the CSV during cranking
Wire to fuel pump |
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2015 Posts: 201 Location: Kauai
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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Do you mind explaining the 12+b+
I have the fi harness where do i get this wires from?
Excuse my ignorance. |
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2015 Posts: 201 Location: Kauai
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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this is my ball of rust metal
I finally found the engine code it looks like a 2.0 1978 now i have something to go on.
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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ALOHA 71 wrote: |
Do you mind explaining the 12+b+
I have the fi harness where do i get this wires from?
Excuse my ignorance. |
12 volts positive as in battery voltage. The B+ wire is the big cable going to the starter from the battery so you can make a connection right on the big lug on the starter with all the other wires. |
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2015 Posts: 201 Location: Kauai
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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I order the book, how to rebuilt your Volkswagen very well recommended here
started breaking down the engine top end. I found some really disgusting stuff inside the intake ( i leave it to your imagination.)
any advise will be appreciated
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curtp07 Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2007 Posts: 874 Location: Mass
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:46 am Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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While you're rebuilding, send the FI harness to KYLE for rebuild, otherwise you will forever chase issues. Order all new vacuum hoses and source every part you're unsure of CSV, ETC.
Replace every fuel hose, maybe even buy a new harness from KYLE for the fuel pump, etc
That helped me tremendously with mine.... _________________ Subaru |
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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that's a great idea sorry for my ignorance but i google KYLE and nothing vw related come up. |
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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I found KYLE # in the harness forum thank you so much he is out of them right now he will be getting more supply in 4 wks and i while on the phone with him order one |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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my59 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2003 Posts: 3793 Location: connecting the dots
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:38 am Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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Take the fuel tank as the FI tank has a supply and return line. _________________ my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:22 am Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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Thank you tcash |
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:27 am Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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my59 wrote: |
Take the fuel tank as the FI tank has a supply and return line. |
I pull it out the other day it have some rust i need to clean it good and see
What happen
Would it work with the with one line? |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 7:07 am Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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ALOHA 71 wrote: |
my59 wrote: |
Take the fuel tank as the FI tank has a supply and return line. |
I pull it out the other day it have some rust i need to clean it good and see
What happen
Would it work with the with one line? |
It can be made to work with a single line, but two would be much preferred. |
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ALOHA 72 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: wiring for engine swap |
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I found this cloth under the seat i know is damage
But i would like to know if it has a purpose it have two rods to hang it
Somewhere. |
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