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obieoberstar Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 1127 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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I would have surely thought there was an o-ring in there.
The one I had was a little loose. Glad I went with carbs with hard lines in the engine compartment.
Water-cooled Vanagon owners seem to be replacing the plastic fuel rails with some nice machined aluminum ones.
Really glad this topic is getting some attention. As important as fuel lines.
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curtp07 Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2007 Posts: 874 Location: Mass
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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I was looking at other CSV's and from what I've seen they don't have two nipples..just one..would still require a T somewhere??
There was a BMW series that also had problems with the rubber fuel hose leading to the CSV underneath the intake manifold so we're not the only cars with this type of issue...interesting stuff...
I wonder how many of these fires were with "original" wire harnesses...that's what almost did my Beetle in.... _________________ Subaru |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16886 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Rubber Duck wrote: |
Convert to carb eh. I always thought the L-Jet was a great system. Never did hear of many rabbits burning to the ground though... |
CIS....totally different. all banjo fittings and hard lines
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Skills...the more I look at that picture the more is looks like there is no way for fuel to exit that plastic sleeve other than from the injector outlet which would be in the plenum...is that correct??
Thanks again for doing this work! |
the front half sits on locating pins in the nose. the o/d is smaller than the case. I suspect fuel backs into the winding area. if the tail/crimp is loose, that is when the leak is prone to happen
YOU CAN SEE THE O RING IN THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSING
I knew I wasn't going crazy
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Weird... Indeed. Skills what am I looking at in your second pic? I keep staring and I see the bottom half is the plastic housing, but what is the little metal cylinder?
If failing o-ring is a done theory, then perhaps the housing does nothing more than attach it to the plenum.
Does this renew a possible electrical short conspiracy then from the harness in an oddly similar location |
that is the pintle that the electromagnet moves to shoot in the fuel[/b] _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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cmonSTART Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2014 Posts: 1915 Location: NH
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Wow thanks! That was educational!
Edit: So now the question is, can we loosen the crimps and disassemble/service this thing, then reassemble? _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16886 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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you'll never get it right....
the taper in the case is done AFTER the winding is installed. I had to pry the case open to get it past the rolled edge.
I worked fairly carefully pulling it apart. I don't see a way to slide it out and not destroy the case.
if you try to take it apart/repair/rebuild etc it's at your own risk....I sure the hell wouldn't do it.
I still stand by my theory the o ring gives up, the case gets filled with fuel and sprays all over the distributor
I do not see a sane way to service these units. let alone any hair line cracks in the plastic....
guys, give it up....it's 30 year old FI stuff that's NLA. time to move on here....or just look at it and make engine noises while you polish the trim _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Wasted youth Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2012 Posts: 5134 Location: California's Hot and Smoggy Central Valley
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Could the best parts of the Rabbit system be employed here instead? |
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curtp07 Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2007 Posts: 874 Location: Mass
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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I vote a new avatar for Skills...or clatter
_________________ Subaru
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cmonSTART Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2014 Posts: 1915 Location: NH
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Darn, there goes that idea. _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2206 Location: seattle
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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My apples & oranges testing begins: fired up a cold Golf, Bosch CIS Digifant I
with CSV valve un-plugged, fired right up, but the revs rise and fall quite
a bit more with it disconnected, idle 900rpm, deflecting to 450 or so with light
throttle application then bouncing back to 900. Maybe these were installed not just for true cold starts, but to prevent stalls when part cold as well?
This 1.8 will dip to 800 rpm after throttle blip when the CSV is plugged in, so I assume it's helping smooth out cold gear shifts too.
Is stall prevention worth lighting your precious bus on fire? |
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Rubber Duck Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2006 Posts: 806 Location: Pitt Meadows BC
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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curtp07 wrote: |
I vote a new avatar for Skills...or clatter
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I second that. I just saw the aftermath of yet another classic burn. Just happened! Fortunately it happened about a block from the fire station...looks like a Mercedes 200 coupe convertible. Probably fuel-related. Almost prophetic... _________________ ---------
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16886 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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curtp07 wrote: |
I vote a new avatar for Skills...or clatter
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"in a world where age and technology collide, some move forward... while others left behind burn for their decision" _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Xevin Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 7635
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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I guess if someone was not comfortable using a blocking plate. They could buy a rebuilt one from Bus Depot. I wonder how they rebuild them
http://www.busdepot.com/022906171b _________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Ethanol can't be helping that O-ring!
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7551 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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curtp07 wrote: |
I vote a new avatar for Skills...or clatter
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Thanks for the new avatar!
Damn, mods took and wacked about four of my posts!
I'm performing a needed public service here!
I might save someone's life, not just their bus!
Not just raving like a madman..
So,
We have ONE bus owner, besides me, who cold-started their bus successfully without a CSV...
Everybody else says "It won't start on a cold day without it".
Yet,
They say this WITHOUT having actually tried it!
You DO NOT have to take it clear off to try!
Just un-plug it and see..!
It sits on the front/center of your motor.
You don't need tools to try.
You can always plug it back in if it doesn't work...!
WTF?!?!?
Just goes to show - most users on this forum:
1. Will not actually do any work on their bus.
2. Parrot what they hear
3. Are just keyboard crewchiefs _________________ Bus Motor Build
What’s That Noise?!? |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16886 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Xevin wrote: |
I guess if someone was not comfortable using a blocking plate. They could buy a rebuilt one from Bus Depot. I wonder how they rebuild them
http://www.busdepot.com/022906171b |
fuckers....
I cut up a 95.00 bill for you guys
now I need a gofundme page.... _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Xevin Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 7635
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Clatter wrote: |
Everybody else says "It won't start on a cold day without it".
Yet,
They say this WITHOUT having actually tried it!
You DO NOT have to take it clear off to try!
Just un-plug it and see..!
It sits on the front/center of your motor.
You don't need tools to try.
You can always plug it back in if it doesn't work...!
WTF?!?!?
Just goes to show - most users on this forum:
1. Will not actually do any work on their bus.
2. Parrot what they hear
3. Are just keyboard crewchiefs |
Your awesome dude. I love your rants.
That is a great idea! I won't have FI until Sunday and have never had FI. So I won't be a very good judge. But I would love to hear what people think with it disconnected.
For the people not Wanting to disconnect the CSV. Why not just get a freshly
rebuilt CSV from Bus Depot. Should be all nice and snug and give you a warm fuzzy sense of security.
And thanks for taking one for the team Skills _________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7551 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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I miss the rants....
Now the mods delete all of my best work. _________________ Bus Motor Build
What’s That Noise?!? |
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aerosurfer Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2012 Posts: 1602 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Its my thread! Why dont i get a say in what gets deleted? Im okay with the rants. Where is battery door guy when you need him.
If i add a new cold start valve, will it add value to my bus... oops wrong thread to rant on _________________ Rebuild your own FI Harness..My Harness
77 Westy 2.0L Rockin and Rolling Resto!
72 Sportsmobile (sold)
79 Tran$porter... Parts car money machine (gone) |
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Xevin Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 7635
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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^^^^^^ _________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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curtp07 Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2007 Posts: 874 Location: Mass
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire, even after everything is done right |
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Clatter - keep going on the rants..nice to hear all viewpoints! But now you can silently rant away with your new avatar
Aerosurfer - keep calling people dicks when they deserve it!
Skills - thank you again for the CSV cutaway!
Great thread! _________________ Subaru |
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