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WM971252
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 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:23 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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| Oh, I have been following your stuff. And I have a grip on the handle. I just haven't had the right bus to do it to yet. Someday, someday. |
I know a guy that soon will have a trailer that can bring your ride to the Skillz Suby Center  |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:31 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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I have a 65 panel here now that I could slip an engine into...odd, I have a bus and an engine 
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60freak
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:33 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Being a STi owner and loyal subaru fan, I gotta say a ej255 or 257 with a vf34 turbo would be the shit in a bus, if you are gonna do it might as well go all the way  . Yes I would look into changing gearing on the 091 but it's prob the next best trans to use even unaltered though, better than the stock split trans and RGB's I would think. I believe there was someone on here using a subaru trans and doing some crazy modifications to it for use in the bus, that would be the way to go. |
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cru62
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:38 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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| cru62 wrote: |
| Oh, I have been following your stuff. And I have a grip on the handle. I just haven't had the right bus to do it to yet. Someday, someday. |
I know a guy that soon will have a trailer that can bring your ride to the Skillz Suby Center |
I can't think about anything other than getting the roof back on my Komper. I can't even roll it out of the Garaj Mahal. Lots of work  .
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WM971252
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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| cru62 wrote: |
| WM971252 wrote: |
| cru62 wrote: |
| Oh, I have been following your stuff. And I have a grip on the handle. I just haven't had the right bus to do it to yet. Someday, someday. |
I know a guy that soon will have a trailer that can bring your ride to the Skillz Suby Center |
I can't think about anything other than getting the roof back on my Komper. I can't even roll it out of the Garaj Mahal. Lots of work . |
Then stop driving around in the middle of the night stopping strangers 
I know the feeling |
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Low Bräu
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Your initial post makes me think you haven't done your homework. You should spend some time in the Vanagon forum and read up on Subaru conversions and the costs and work associated with doing one. Few people cut up split buses to install Subaru engines, it may even be frowned upon by some. The ideal transmission to run with the Subaru motor is made by Subaru. You can buy reversed ring and pinion kits from SubaruGears.com as well as mounts and axle flanges to put the Subaru drive drain into your aircooled VW.
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cru62
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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| WM971252 wrote: |
| cru62 wrote: |
| WM971252 wrote: |
| cru62 wrote: |
| Oh, I have been following your stuff. And I have a grip on the handle. I just haven't had the right bus to do it to yet. Someday, someday. |
I know a guy that soon will have a trailer that can bring your ride to the Skillz Suby Center |
I can't think about anything other than getting the roof back on my Komper. I can't even roll it out of the Garaj Mahal. Lots of work . |
Then stop driving around in the middle of the night stopping strangers
I know the feeling |
I haven't done that since 1984. You have a good memory.
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brettsvw
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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| Your initial post makes me think you haven't done your homework. You should spend some time in the Vanagon forum and read up on Subaru conversions and the costs and work associated with doing one. Few people cut up split buses to install Subaru engines, it may even be frowned upon by some. The ideal transmission to run with the Subaru motor is made by Subaru. You can buy reversed ring and pinion kits from SubaruGears.com as well as mounts and axle flanges to put the Subaru drive drain into your aircooled VW. |
091 bus trans would be very costly.
SubaruGears.com would be the best way.
A pro street trans would be the best lower cost.
If you are not really into VW's, Stay air-cooled and see if you son likes it first.
Driving a split bus is not for everyone.
Tow bills and replacing broken transaxles will end up being a pain in the ass.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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I have used 2 re geared 091's and 1 re geared 002. all of them were under 2K shipped.
the reversed rotation Subaru trans poses it's own set of challenges. the only time I miss a 5 speed is when I want to get from 80-100 fast. other than that, a reworked unit is a nice compromise.
they are plenty strong
3K + spirited miles and counting
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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bubba
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:52 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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| Low Bräu wrote: |
| Your initial post makes me think you haven't done your homework. You should spend some time in the Vanagon forum and read up on Subaru conversions and the costs and work associated with doing one. Few people cut up split buses to install Subaru engines, it may even be frowned upon by some. The ideal transmission to run with the Subaru motor is made by Subaru. You can buy reversed ring and pinion kits from SubaruGears.com as well as mounts and axle flanges to put the Subaru drive drain into your aircooled VW. |
Yes.. I dont think he has looked hard enough.. but and Subaru exchange is not super easy.. You dont have to cut up a bus to install one.. well.. nothing that cant be reversed.. If you are lowering it.. swing axle will do just fine.. but you can not use your original transmission.. you will break it the first time you put the hammer down! Look for a pro street swing axle. here s one:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1136784
then you have to get a straight axle conversion :
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1699479
install your bus nose cone. Here is a forum to show you how:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66927
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Enkiel
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:13 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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its what you need, but not where you want to buy it (check his feedback)
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brettsvw
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Is the $2000 with or without a core?
I have not looked at your builds so I have to ask.
Have you installed a 091 in a split bus? |
no, I have not put a 091 in a split. but I have a split here and a 091 I could butcher the 2 up 
seriously, I don't think it would be that big of a deal. I am putting about 230 h/p thru a 002 with 091 guts and re worked 3rd +4th with no issues as of yet.
will I be surprised when it blows a ring gear thru the roof? not at all. the way I figure it is I brought it into the world, I can take it out...and make another that looks just like it
sorry for the crappy quality and audio. cell phone on the wrong settings...while driving. so, turn the volume down and you only need to watch the first 40 seconds. I ran out of road...
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and yes, that price was with a core. honestly, I don't understand why folks put the 091 on a pedestal. there were some decent upgrades for sure, but are pretty much the same as an 002 imho...
would you like to Subaru/ 091 your split? it's quite a lot of fun. I have a great time wiping the smirk off of peoples faces when they try to pass 
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
| Brian wrote: |
| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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iamdonquixote
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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would you like to Subaru/ 091 your split? it's quite a lot of fun. I have a great time wiping the smirk off of peoples faces when they try to pass |
it would be fun, but split buses handle like crap compared to bays , i think you'd have to upgrade the front end too for maximum smiles
it be hilarious to do in a sh*tty looking splitty |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:18 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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handling is a big consideration. I will admit, I like the slammed look but doing tubs is just out of the question for me, and honestly I think when the beams get too narrow it just looks stupid
I have about a 3" drop and 7.5 /8.0 inch rubber on the bus now. disk brakes are a minimum (unless you can show some restraint)
bay's do handle a bit better, but still not all that great. when you are buzzing around at 75/80 and come into an off ramp you tend to forget that you're not in a GTI. I have had a couple close calls coming into an off ramp too hot.
it's a different driving experience for sure.
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
| Brian wrote: |
| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Stanleyn
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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I joined this forum to get some answers ,not for people to tell me that I need to do homework.
Now I'm going to ask again.What trans and axel assy,either swing or IRS and what years can I use.I dont need to be lectured and dont worry about making it right as it will be 100%safe |
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cru62
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Did you look at any of the threads which answer the exact questions you are asking? What you are asking for are opinions. And without knowledge on your part you have no basis to judge whether those answers are good or bad. You could just go with your gut feeling. But you would need at least an elementary knowledge, which you seem to think is unnecessary.
So, here is my opinion on the parts you should get-
•091 or 002 BUS trans, rebuilt to match the motor you will use.
•'68 BUS trailing arms, spring plates, brakes and bearing carriers.
Since you will be fabbing up all your mounts for both the engine and trans you can cut off the trans wishbone and install the trans like in a Bay bus. No need to narrow the trailing arms. The BUS stock brakes are better than bug brakes. Or you could upgrade to Porsche brakes or one of several A/M suppliers.
And just so you know, nobody here is trying to "harsh your buzz". On the contrary, they are trying to save you time, money and frustration.
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brettsvw
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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You're going to get different opinions. Take it all in and decide.
If you want to experiment, go with beetle IRS.
If you go IRS get the latest year beetle trans you can find with only one side plate for diff housing. You can buy bolt on IRS brackets and use stock beetle trailing arms and axles.
1972 and up stock should have a 3:88 RP and one side cover.
The thread I posted transmissions for dummies shows a pic with description halfway down page 1.
Your only going to find a few that want to give info on how to cut up a beloved bus add a water cooled engine with lots of torque and HP.
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