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Stanleyn Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:36 pm Post subject: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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I m new at the VW world and Im building a 1966 Bus for my son.I am going to install a Subaru engine.I need to know what trans and axels I should use.I need to know the years.Should I use the IRS and what years and what alll do i need.I can fabricate anything. |
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easy e Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 3931 Location: 1 hr north of Santa Barbara
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brettsvw Samba Member
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bubba Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2531 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:41 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Stanleyn wrote: |
I m new at the VW world and Im building a 1966 Bus for my son.I am going to install a Subaru engine.I need to know what trans and axels I should use.I need to know the years.Should I use the IRS and what years and what alll do i need.I can fabricate anything. |
Are you going to lower the bus? If you are.. I would recommend a pro street trans to hold up to the increase in HP. With that extra power, you can run a 4:12 Freeway flyer or a 3:88 R/P. You can buy a IRS conversion kit on this site. If you are keeping it stock height, keep the reduction boxes. You can run a 3:88 or a 3:44 center section for the highway speeds you will want. I myself am going to give the Subaru thing a try. I have a 56 single cab and im keeping the reduction boxes with a 3:88 center section. I recommend disc brakes in the front! Getting up to speed in today's traffic is nice... but stopping is 10 times more important!! Please post pics!! I would love to see how your project is going.. I'm a little ways off from starting mine.. _________________ ***WANTED***
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Stanleyn Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2016 Posts: 47 Location: Eliot Me
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:51 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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bubba wrote: |
Stanleyn wrote: |
I m new at the VW world and Im building a 1966 Bus for my son.I am going to install a Subaru engine.I need to know what trans and axels I should use.I need to know the years.Should I use the IRS and what years and what alll do i need.I can fabricate anything. |
Are you going to lower the bus? If you are.. I would recommend a pro street trans to hold up to the increase in HP. With that extra power, you can run a 4:12 Freeway flyer or a 3:88 R/P. You can buy a IRS conversion kit on this site. If you are keeping it stock height, keep the reduction boxes. You can run a 3:88 or a 3:44 center section for the highway speeds you will want. I myself am going to give the Subaru thing a try. I have a 56 single cab and im keeping the reduction boxes with a 3:88 center section. I recommend disc brakes in the front! Getting up to speed in today's traffic is nice... but stopping is 10 times more important!! Please post pics!! I would love to see how your project is going.. I'm a little ways off from starting mine.. |
What bus or bug and what years d |
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brettsvw Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2007 Posts: 2145 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Stanleyn wrote: |
bubba wrote: |
Stanleyn wrote: |
I m new at the VW world and Im building a 1966 Bus for my son.I am going to install a Subaru engine.I need to know what trans and axels I should use.I need to know the years.Should I use the IRS and what years and what alll do i need.I can fabricate anything. |
Are you going to lower the bus? If you are.. I would recommend a pro street trans to hold up to the increase in HP. With that extra power, you can run a 4:12 Freeway flyer or a 3:88 R/P. You can buy a IRS conversion kit on this site. If you are keeping it stock height, keep the reduction boxes. You can run a 3:88 or a 3:44 center section for the highway speeds you will want. I myself am going to give the Subaru thing a try. I have a 56 single cab and im keeping the reduction boxes with a 3:88 center section. I recommend disc brakes in the front! Getting up to speed in today's traffic is nice... but stopping is 10 times more important!! Please post pics!! I would love to see how your project is going.. I'm a little ways off from starting mine.. |
What bus or bug and what years d |
When you order a rebuilt transaxle just specify to the builder what your intentions are,
Only differences are.
12 volt or 6 volt
swing or IRS _________________ .
My 59 kombi build.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=635003&highlight=
My buggy build.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=558601&highlight=
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bubba Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2531 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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You can only run 12 volt.. The electronics on the Subaru are all 12 volt. _________________ ***WANTED***
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brettsvw Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2007 Posts: 2145 Location: Florida
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Stanleyn Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2016 Posts: 47 Location: Eliot Me
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:51 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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I want to use Parts that I aquire,not new A/M.What year bus or bug for the trans,or irssetup.I,ll fabricate my own mounts or whatever I need |
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brettsvw Samba Member
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Stanleyn Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2016 Posts: 47 Location: Eliot Me
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:19 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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My plans for the bus is to lower it,install Subaru engine.I dont think I need the reduction boxes.I see Wolfgang has a kit for the IRS.What year bug would be the best for the conversion. |
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60freak Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2002 Posts: 861 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:25 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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IRS, Bus trans 002 or 091 (just get whole ass end from a late bay window bus and fab it into your split) Get a Subaru EJ255 STi motor with the complete wiring harness. Mate it up to the bus trans using kennedy engineering plate. Done. |
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Stanleyn Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2016 Posts: 47 Location: Eliot Me
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:55 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Like I said in the beginning Im not a VW guy.I build hotrods including the chassis.This is my sons Bus that i,m building for him.So I dont know what your numbers mean.Could you tell me the names and years of the donors I should look for. |
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60freak Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2002 Posts: 861 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:57 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Personally with that much power I would prefer a 091 trans (aka 6 rib), which is found in 76-79 bay window bus, it's the strongest bus trans. |
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60freak Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2002 Posts: 861 Location: Indiana
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16863 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:36 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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having done several conversions in bay window's I can tell you the 091 is a poor choice in the factory gearing.
I don't want to sound like a douche, but I will anyway
what I have learned is the Subaru is a bit finicky...you are going to want to match the power band of the engine to overall gearing. it has to do with overall rpm's and water pump speed.
additionally, just stuffing a radiator in it will not (usually) work. do your math on the cooling system.
I would stay away from a turbo just for simplicity sake. I built a healthy 2.5 NA with some tricks, can pull 75+ in 3rd. at 115 (with more pedal to go) the bus just got plain scary to drive. it has all new suspension and is dropped and properly set up.
when you get these issues sorted, you'll be a happy camper. the 002 transmission has the crappiest stock gearing for this conversion. the Subaru is very happy at 3-3,200 rpms, not the 4-4,200 a aircooled spins at freeway speeds _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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cru62 Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2002 Posts: 4117 Location: Margaritaville.....24/7
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:51 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Please start reading the wealth of info in various threads on this site. Since you are starting from scratch VW-wise there will be answers to questions you never would think to ask.
Rebuilding a stock bus is daunting enough with years of experience. Building one like you are wanting is a whole different thing. It is great that you already possess fab skills. But you will be combining parts from other years and types of VWs along with at least one completely different make. Educating yourself about what and how to realize that goal will help prevent you ending up with either a pile of parts and a cut up bus or an undrivable POS.
The folks on this site and this Forum in particular will be a great resource. They are ready, willing and able to help you. But you need to meet them on common ground. Look at other threads that are similar to what you want to do. While that may seem like a waste of time, trust me, it will save you loads of time and more money than you can imagine.
Also, we all like pics. Throw us a bone or two. There are a lot of closet Suby guys lurking here. _________________ "My biggest worry is that when I die, my wife will sell all my parts for what I told her I paid for them"-Jon
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16863 Location: sticksville, ct.
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cru62 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:09 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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Oh, I have been following your stuff. And I have a grip on the handle. I just haven't had the right bus to do it to yet. Someday, someday. _________________ "My biggest worry is that when I die, my wife will sell all my parts for what I told her I paid for them"-Jon
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WM971252 Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2004 Posts: 1781 Location: Franklin CT
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: Re: 1966 bus subaru conversion |
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cru62 wrote: |
Please start reading the wealth of info in various threads on this site. Since you are starting from scratch VW-wise there will be answers to questions you never would think to ask.
Educating yourself about what and how to realize that goal will help prevent you ending up with either a pile of parts and a cut up bus or an undrivable POS.
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X5.... I have seen great VWs destroyed when the owner with great ideas give up and realize that they did not think through the project fully.
You are not really going to be able to just throw some stuff together and make a conversion work well. If you read any threads on air-cooled to Suby conversions you will see the one thing that comes up is that any stock VW tranny will work but not really work. You will want to regear at least any tranny. Also keep in mind that a Bay Bus tranny is a completely different size case than a Bug/Split Bus so you need to know what you are using to beginning with. |
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