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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:51 am Post subject: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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Hello,
I hope a similar threat doesn't exists already and I also know about the topic with tons of vintage BD photos...
We have 16 diapostives ( it's the english expression for photos on a transparency which you can present with a projector, maybe reversal film or slide is the better translation (?) )
So these diapostives were delivered to volkswagen sellers to show customers which accesoires and extras they could order, as it was told to me.
All BDs are 1950s or 1951s because they have no rear window and the sambas have a white roof.
I would like to know, if anyone else saw them, is able to tell me about how rare they are or give some history.
Thanks Jan |
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Shoyrtt Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2010 Posts: 1007 Location: Redlands, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:34 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives/ seller advertisments |
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Just to clarify, in the US we call them slides:
Any chance you can convert them to digital and share the pictures? |
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:47 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives/ seller advertisments |
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Alright, I'll try to scan the SLIDES tomorrow
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:33 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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There you go!
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69734 Location: Phoenix Metro
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7045 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:51 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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56samba wrote: |
There you go!
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this one is interesting: rear hatch, sales flaps, no cargo doors? walkthrough? _________________ regards
Uli
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'53 3-Fold Oval, L35 Metallic Blue, looking for a narrow hatch panel |
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7045 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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there is a VEB Aschersleben with this motto: Milch Quelle der Gesundheit.
Aschersleben is/was in East Germany
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&a...7529166441 _________________ regards
Uli
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'53 3-Fold Oval, L35 Metallic Blue, looking for a narrow hatch panel |
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EverettB Administrator
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:52 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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I added three more photos.
Most of the companies are from Köln/Cologne or near of it, so it's possible that the slides were made by a local volkswagen dealer from Cologne...
It seems like the milk van got a window what is a bit strange, because there is no other bus with a rear window, correct me, if I am wrong.
VEB is also known as a factory of bikes, weapons and the beautiful Simson Schwalbe motorbikes, but that was in Suhl GDR
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 877 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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EverettB wrote: |
mandraks wrote: |
56samba wrote: |
There you go!
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this one is interesting: rear hatch, sales flaps, no cargo doors? walkthrough? |
Neat! Probably had cargo doors on the other side. |
What year do we think this bus is from? 51? _________________ 1951 Samba 20-017894
1952 Samba 20-028952 |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13385 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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Those are GREAT photos.
Thanks for taking the time to share them. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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EmpiGT Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
mandraks wrote: |
56samba wrote: |
There you go!
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this one is interesting: rear hatch, sales flaps, no cargo doors? walkthrough? |
Neat! Probably had cargo doors on the other side. |
What year do we think this bus is from? 51? |
If it had doors on the other side it would probably be a converted double door. Look at the B pillar, you can see the skrew holes for the upper hinge for normal cargo doors. |
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53kombi Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Hot and Humid, Southeast
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:55 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
mandraks wrote: |
56samba wrote: |
There you go!
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this one is interesting: rear hatch, sales flaps, no cargo doors? walkthrough? |
Neat! Probably had cargo doors on the other side. |
What year do we think this bus is from? 51? |
Passenger side reflector was introduced at 20-023750 (March '52). The bus has piano hinge vent windows, so definitely a '52. _________________ Looking for these items for my June '53 kombi:
Barndoor 25hp case 20-060XXXX (June '53)
Barndoor Eberspacher gas heater. ('53-'55)
1 barndoor 16" wheel (Lemmerz dated 2/53)
NOS german 25hp/36hp oil pump
Zwitter intake manifold |
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52 deelux Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2005 Posts: 73 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:16 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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I wonder whether this is an artist's impression or retouch as the rocker/closing panel inside the wheel arch looks wrong. _________________ 52 BD Deluxe
57 Ghia golde
54 Ragtop |
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52 deelux Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:16 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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Does the steering wheel look odd? _________________ 52 BD Deluxe
57 Ghia golde
54 Ragtop |
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2103 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:16 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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I think it's a stock 3 spoke. The paint of the front doorframe (a pillar) makes it look odd.
But that panel sure is a walk through. no divider panel and the single seat back is visible.
There is a shallow indentation in the belt line, at the c pillar. looks as if it once had a sliding door mechanism or something, like the BOCO panel.
@56 samba. not all slides show 50 buses. the single cab (with the sales rack) was only introduced after summer 52. some of those slides have been used in official VW brochure 'Zweckvolle Innenausstattungen' and others are known like the Loden Frey and 4711 panel vans.
That's why I doubt that all the slides were from a local dealer.
Great stuff! _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:39 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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@53kombi and djfordmanjack, I am sorry, didn't noticed that, but you're right...
I agree that the steering wheel looks like a four spoke but could be kind of illusion, as djfordmanjack already explained, but the spokes look so square that I would assume they used a non-vw steering wheel, probably Mercedes? There were enough cars with those...
I'm going to look through the other slides if there are any other odd things or if the busses are 52s
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EmpiGT Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:58 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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52 deelux wrote: |
I wonder whether this is an artist's impression or retouch as the rocker/closing panel inside the wheel arch looks wrong. |
Bingo!!! This may not even be a walkthru. The lines on the steering wheel are added, the line for the seat stand added. I think all the areas that were to dark for real detail got artist's detail added. have doubt's look at the tires, mainly the tread. they look like tires from a comic strip. The bench seat could be so dark and partially covered the steering wheel in the real photo that the artist put the steering wheel in then had to make it look like a bucket seat so he would not have to redo the steering wheel.. |
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mandraks Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:23 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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EmpiGT wrote: |
If it had doors on the other side it would probably be a converted double door. Look at the B pillar, you can see the screw holes for the upper hinge for normal cargo doors. |
don't be a buzzkill i would prefer a NO cargodoor walkthrough with a salesflap over a converted double door _________________ regards
Uli
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EmpiGT Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:52 am Post subject: Re: 1951 Barndoor diapositives / seller advertisements |
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mandraks wrote: |
EmpiGT wrote: |
If it had doors on the other side it would probably be a converted double door. Look at the B pillar, you can see the screw holes for the upper hinge for normal cargo doors. |
don't be a buzzkill i would prefer a NO cargodoor walkthrough with a salesflap over a converted double door |
If you think that was a buzzkill, don't read that last post I made on it.. |
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