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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

Interesting stuff. I'd call the Daimler programming effectively a cheat equal to VW.
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Daimler’s state-of-the art software no longer needs to detect that the car is on a dynanometer. The prescribed ambient temperature during the official EU emissions test is 22 degree centigrade, well above the 10 degrees where Daimler shuts its emission treatment off.


The Opel one is debateable. Why have there been no updates since December?
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In response to the DUH report, Opel conducted an emission test on a Zafira with a 1.6-liter diesel engine on a four-roller test bench with all wheels in motion. The test, conduced in the presence of TÜV Hessen, found that emissions from the Zafira vehicle tested by Opel were within the legal limits. “It remains valid for all of our cars and without exception: GM-developed software has no features that detect whether the vehicle is undergoing an exhaust emissions test,” said Opel in a statement.


The GM India thing seems more like a quality problem than a cheat. And upper management fessed up and fixed it when they found out, without having to be busted by the gubmint.

Renault? Are they still in business?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

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Renault? Are they still in business?


well they basically own nissan and sell diesel engines to mercedes...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

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Renault? Are they still in business?


well they basically own nissan and sell diesel engines to mercedes...


I know, I was kidding around. They haven't been in the U.S. market for a long time.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

I was just kidding back Wink

I wonder why they didn't succeed over there. I mean, what american wouldn't buy a renault 5 styled to look like a Pacer? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

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I was just kidding back Wink

I wonder why they didn't succeed over there. I mean, what american wouldn't buy a renault 5 styled to look like a Pacer? Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

Didn't the stick shift come out of the dashboard on them too?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

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Didn't the stick shift come out of the dashboard on them too?

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No.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How bad is the emission output an any VW diesel?

I would think that the majority of gas hungry SUV's & pickups on the road puts tons more smog into the air for each mile traveled


I wonder what the new BMW/MERCEDES diesels did to pass emission? Why can't VW do the same?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

APPLEGREENVW wrote:
tjet wrote:
How bad is the emission output an any VW diesel?

I would think that the majority of gas hungry SUV's & pickups on the road puts tons more smog into the air for each mile traveled


I wonder what the new BMW/MERCEDES diesels did to pass emission? Why can't VW do the same?

Don't let that cat out!

Toyota did a similar trick back in the day, federal court. They got their hand slapped.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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tjet wrote:
How bad is the emission output an any VW diesel?

I would think that the majority of gas hungry SUV's & pickups on the road puts tons more smog into the air for each mile traveled


I wonder what the new BMW/MERCEDES diesels did to pass emission? Why can't VW do the same?


Maybe because they couldn't advertise the cleanest Diesel engine?

Sounds like Audi used VW as a Guinea pig.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

APPLEGREENVW wrote:
tjet wrote:
How bad is the emission output an any VW diesel?

I would think that the majority of gas hungry SUV's & pickups on the road puts tons more smog into the air for each mile traveled


I wonder what the new BMW/MERCEDES diesels did to pass emission? Why can't VW do the same?

Urea injection. VW has space problem, and it's tough to retrofit something like that when it wasn't designed in. It's what they should have done from the start.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

I just saw on Bloomberg that VW is about to pass Toyota as the World's #1 automaker in 2016.

So much for this destroying the VW brand.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zeen wrote:
APPLEGREENVW wrote:
tjet wrote:
How bad is the emission output an any VW diesel?

I would think that the majority of gas hungry SUV's & pickups on the road puts tons more smog into the air for each mile traveled


I wonder what the new BMW/MERCEDES diesels did to pass emission? Why can't VW do the same?

Urea injection. VW has space problem, and it's tough to retrofit something like that when it wasn't designed in. It's what they should have done from the start.


VW was cheap. VW stepped back from Urea injection, and said they could meet the requirements without it in 2008 for 2009TDi
A few manufactures took VWs apart trying to figure out how they (VW)was doing it,
but it took the University of Virginia tests before anyone would come out and just say that VW was cheating.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2008-volkswagen-jetta-tdi-first-drive-review
The truth is not out there yet
http://gas2.org/2016/04/24/volkswagen-decides-to-bury-cheating-report-for-now/
The cars to be fixed or bought back are 2009 to 2015
The Gen 1 don't have Urea injection, and retrofitting will be hard if not impossible as stated above,
I think these may be the buyback cars, VW was probably hoping that the Feds would just fine VW, and give the cars a use as is,
just like the Feds did Heavy Truck Diesel Manufactures in the 90's
http://jalopnik.com/how-the-epa-won-1-billion-from-diesel-cheaters-long-be-1732109485
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

Cats are scratching out of the bag

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueTec

But Toyota already set the precedent.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

everyone in the automotive industry knows that these foolish cat piss systems cause more harm than good. and it has cost consumers more money than you can imagine. so owning a new diesel is such a false economy, it's not funny....

CARB admits what a disaster these control systems have become...despite guys smarter than them telling CARB "this won't end well"

http://allianceforca.org/acb-press-release-3-14-16-carb-admits-dpfs-cause-engine-damage/

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/bc-diesel-repair-...amage.html

http://www.livetrucking.com/carb-admits-dpfs-may-i...ne-damage/


so, I can see why vw cheated...now Mitsubishi is under fire for 25 years of bogus EPA ratings....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

The whole automotive industry is death rattling, I'd hate to have that as my retirement.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
everyone in the automotive industry knows that these foolish cat piss systems cause more harm than good. and it has cost consumers more money than you can imagine. so owning a new diesel is such a false economy, it's not funny....

CARB admits what a disaster these control systems have become...despite guys smarter than them telling CARB "this won't end well"

http://allianceforca.org/acb-press-release-3-14-16-carb-admits-dpfs-cause-engine-damage/

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/bc-diesel-repair-...amage.html

http://www.livetrucking.com/carb-admits-dpfs-may-i...ne-damage/


so, I can see why vw cheated...now Mitsubishi is under fire for 25 years of bogus EPA ratings....


Guess Caterpillar foresaw this when they simply exited the onroad diesel market, back when this pie in the sky do-gooder BS started.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

vdubyah73 wrote:
skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
everyone in the automotive industry knows that these foolish cat piss systems cause more harm than good. and it has cost consumers more money than you can imagine. so owning a new diesel is such a false economy, it's not funny....

CARB admits what a disaster these control systems have become...despite guys smarter than them telling CARB "this won't end well"

http://allianceforca.org/acb-press-release-3-14-16-carb-admits-dpfs-cause-engine-damage/

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/bc-diesel-repair-...amage.html

http://www.livetrucking.com/carb-admits-dpfs-may-i...ne-damage/


so, I can see why vw cheated...now Mitsubishi is under fire for 25 years of bogus EPA ratings....


Guess Caterpillar foresaw this when they simply exited the onroad diesel market, back when this pie in the sky do-gooder BS started.

Bill


I don't think Caterpillar exited anything, they are making the whole truck now.
http://www.cat.com/en_US/products/new/equipment/on-highway-trucks.html
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

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Didn't the stick shift come out of the dashboard on them too?

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... that was a Honda car thing... the early 70s air cooled N600 and then again in 2002 to 2005 in the awesome Honda Civic Si...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: VW cheating on diesel emissions..... Reply with quote

ach60 wrote:
vdubyah73 wrote:
skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
everyone in the automotive industry knows that these foolish cat piss systems cause more harm than good. and it has cost consumers more money than you can imagine. so owning a new diesel is such a false economy, it's not funny....

CARB admits what a disaster these control systems have become...despite guys smarter than them telling CARB "this won't end well"

http://allianceforca.org/acb-press-release-3-14-16-carb-admits-dpfs-cause-engine-damage/

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/bc-diesel-repair-...amage.html

http://www.livetrucking.com/carb-admits-dpfs-may-i...ne-damage/


so, I can see why vw cheated...now Mitsubishi is under fire for 25 years of bogus EPA ratings....


Guess Caterpillar foresaw this when they simply exited the onroad diesel market, back when this pie in the sky do-gooder BS started.

Bill


I don't think Caterpillar exited anything, they are making the whole truck now.
http://www.cat.com/en_US/products/new/equipment/on-highway-trucks.html


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