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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Looking great. Keep at it. Popcorn really enjoying the build.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Looking great. Keep at it. Popcorn really enjoying the build.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 8:34 am    Post subject: Wooo Wheee! Reply with quote

What a day..!
Stoked!
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Got a whole day Sunday, pretty much..

Started off, where it was burning holes, and blobbing them shut, grinding it forever, due to the metal being so thin,
Just went ahead and cut out a patch section..
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This makes me nervous, this part right here.. See the 'wrinkle' along to the right of the patch?
It's like a fold, or crease, and a thin section.
I picture driving through a puddle, or in the rain at speed, and the water pressure blowing it apart.
One day, it's like "Hmmm.. the carpet is wet"...

Then, it was really driving me nuts..
It was early, and no wind, and the blobs of weld weren't sticking.
Was wire-brushing, and dressing down, and cussing and kicking things.
Out of welding gas! Embarassed
First thing on a Sunday, too. Evil or Very Mad

Oh, well - probletunity! Not like there's nothing else to do!
The neighbors don't need to go sleeping in so late anyways..


Started digging in to the old heater repair area, and grinding/smoothing my welds.
LOT of grinding/smoothing with my welding these days - It's been windy.
Alternating between grinding and something else.
When your hand gets too cramped up to hold the grinder, it's time to do something else for awhile.

Sliced through the last of the big blobby braze..
Decided to cut open the back of this - to reach in and weld those bottom layers down good.
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Thank god for the big six-incher!
It's the only one that would reach clear up in there. Wink
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Made me up a patch..
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Here it all is clamped into place from above.
Looks like it's supposed to now.. If you squint.
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Here's the other side for reference.
Funny how the grinding/sanding/paint/phosphoric/sealer etc. makes it look so rough and sloppy by comparison, eh?
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Sitting cross-legged on the floor savoring victory within my sights..
A LOT of no-fun overhead grinding and welding all done right there.
Just a couple pin-holes, and a patch or two, left to go...
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Cleaning up,
A lot of different tools needed to finish this stuff off.
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Here's the collection of little bits I swept up.
Gives an idea of how much hack-age was removed.
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Felt good to sit, and stare, and drink for a while.
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Dag, Thinking how much work I'm looking at right there over the last couple years!
Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
Speaker repair, rusted spots, new apron, rear mounts, air snorkel, 5-speed house.... on and on and on.. Shocked
WTF am I thinking!?!?


ANyhow,
Moved the hump over, where the floorpan clears the front tranny mount..
The pan half is coming forward, but the hump has to stay.
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Pinhole, Pinhole; Bane of my existence..!
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Oh you really suck
Rust me from the inside out
Pinholes piss me off!

They say that haiku can help.
I'm otherwise out of ideas on how to stop them...


Spend some evening doing clean/quiet work.
Lining out seat frames (Thanks to Monte).
Will be installing some upholstery on these hopefully soon!
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These Masonite backing panel thingies are beguiling.
Was going to make new, but how do they fit?
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They tuck under the perimeter frame, between it and the spring structure..
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Yet, there are these witness marks indicating that they touch the back of the springs??
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Weird..

Will have to spend some time drinking beer and staring at it.
Maybe try it one way and the other, drink, and stare some more.

Big Fun! Dancing
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Looking good my friend
Really coming together
Little at a time
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Wooo Wheee! Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:

Will have to spend some time drinking beer and staring at it.
Maybe try it one way and the other, drink, and stare some more.

Big Fun! Dancing


It's the plan that makes it all come together and beer can be a big part of that!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 12:05 pm    Post subject: Side-Trip Into Torsion Bar Land Reply with quote

Here we go off onto a tangent... Again.
Was going through my list and sifting thru stuff, doing 'quiet work', and remembered that I need rear torsions.

Because my spring plates are from a 944, they have a longer 'snout' tube to receive the end of the torsion bar.
This means that as I go from stock '67 type 3 swing-axle, to 944 spring-plates, my torsion bar length goes from 25 5/8" (medium) to 29 9/16" (long).
Thus, the rate changes, as longer bars are easier to twist.


'67 swing-axle rear bars (25 5/8" long) diameter:
Stock Bug = 22mm
Squareback = 23.5mm

Porsche 944 IRS (29 9/16" long) diameter:
944 86+ Early M030 = 24.5mm

(The M030 was the heavy-duty suspension package for the 944;
Standard-model 944 had thinner bars, BTW).

The 944 is a front engine car, with rear transaxle, known for a near 50/50 F/R weight bias.
My Fastback is likely to be quite tail-heavy with it's 5-speed and type 4.
Nate estimates around 100# heavier?

First thing to do is get an idea of the Square rate vs. the early M030 rate, despite their differences in length, as a base-line..

Using the torsion bar calculator found here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/torsionbarforce_calc.php

I whittled this down to show pertinent data..


Torsion Specs Degrees of Twist
Bar Length/Diameter Rate 2 4 6 8 10 12 14
24-11/16 - 22mm 497 60 120 181 241 301 361 422
24-11/16 - 23.5mm 662 80 160 241 321 351 481 562
24-11/16 - 25mm 828 100 201 301 401 502 602 703
24-11/16 - 26mm 968 117 235 352 469 587 704 821
24-11/16 - 27mm 1126 136 273 409 546 682 819 955
24-11/16 - 28mm 1303 158 316 474 632 790 948 1106

26-9/16 - 22mm 464 56 112 169 225 281 337 394
26-9/16 - 25mm 773 94 187 281 375 468 562 656
26-9/16 - 26mm 904 110 219 329 438 548 657 767
26-9/16 - 27mm 1052 128 255 383 510 638 765 893
26-9/16 - 28mm 1217 148 295 443 590 738 885 1033
26-9/16 - 29mm 1400 170 339 509 679 848 1018 1188
26-9/16 - 30mm 1603 194 389 583 777 972 1166 1360

First of all, they don't list data for the Squareback 23.5 bar.
It's halfway between 22 and 25, so that's handy.. I'll just fill it in above.

The 24.5 size for the 944 is close enough to 25 for me here.. enough math already.

Gives me an idea that the Square rear bars are actually pretty close to the 944 once the length difference is factored in.

As another aside; I shopped 944 early M030 bars on ebay for a while, ($300? Rolling Eyes ) and it really just makes sense to just buy new.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-944-Turbo-S-M030-T...mp;vxp=mtr
There are real Sway-Away for $300:
https://swayaway.com/product/torsion-bar-set-porsche-924944-rear-vw-26-916-26mm/
China chingchow for $190:
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C12%2D6569%2D26

Now, on one hand, I'm not going to be running a rear sway bar, there is another 100# at the rear, the application is for performance, and there's all kinds of light Beetle drag-racers running big fat 27-28mm bars in the shorter lengths on the street.

On the other hand, there is no way that I can figure out how to stiffen the front to match the rear.
This is a street car, not a drag car..
My experience tuning other suspension systems - on my motorcycles and the Oval - has shown that once you stiffen one end, the other end takes more punishment, and becomes relatively 'soft' suddenly by comparison, upsetting the handling.

So,
Just by looking at the numbers, and kind of scratching and ciphering, it *seems* like the 26? would stiffen me up good, but not cause the front to pogo too bad?
25 would be the way back to stock plush ride and good balance..

Hard to know.
Wish I could stiffen the front somehow...
Think Think Think Think Think Think

Any input is most welcome.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Ummmm, see previous post. Beer and stare at it for awhile. Rolling Eyes This math hurts my brain, beer may be the answer, thanks Nate.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Happy Friday Night!!
Cheers!

Staring.. Scratching.. Drinking..
Nate is really a true inspiration isn't he?

I have a set of long torsions from an early (feeble N/A) 944.

.928" = 23.5mm.
Weaker than stock Squareback due to their longer length..
Was going to just run them, and test, and see how they behave,
But now,
I think I'll wait until I'm pickled enough to have the courage to buy some nice USA Sway-Away 25 or 26mm rear bars.

Unless some other drunk is able to convince me otherwise.. Wink

Cheers!
*hic*

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

I'd spend my money on a sway bar over bigger torsion bars... For what Sway-away charges for bigger diameter torsions, ugh. Get a sway bar. my 2 cents.

Probably the only time you'll see me side with Vlad. I bought the K-Mac setup for my future build.
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Had Funner Days.. Reply with quote

So,

About a half-day today.
Not much of a day, but here's what happened regardless...

Started off by fitting the left-hand pan.
Need to make sure my patch-parts at the rear fit right.
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Here's the pieces test-fitted for correct placement.
Feels good to have them line up just like they should.
Far as I can tell, any wonkiness has been chased out of here now.
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Got the pan out from under it, and final-fitted my patch piece.
Drilled some holes for plug-welding.
Welded all along the bottom part,
Then,
Pulled the rear part down/open, reached in and boogered a bunch of weld down from the inside there.
Also blasted in there with Eastwood rust-coat stuff, then welded it shut.
Or at least tried to.
The wind came up and made welding impossible..
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Turned it around, to tuck the corner I'm working on in out of the wind a bit.
This helped some.
Who can spot my latest new distraction hidden in this picture? Cool
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Got a bunch of it welded in and ground down.
Not done yet, but close.
The seal channel part will go in, and I'll be done with it.
Can't wait..
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It got windier, and even tucked into the back of the atrium didn't help.. Sad
The metal back there is so F-ing THIN! Shocked
Find a pin-hole, blast a giant hole, pile on huge blobs, grind forever, find a pin-hole, blast a giant hole, pile on huge blobs, grind forever, find a pin-hole.
Repeat and repeat and repeat...
Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Brent wrote:
I'd spend my money on a sway bar over bigger torsion bars... For what Sway-away charges for bigger diameter torsions, ugh. Get a sway bar. my 2 cents.

Probably the only time you'll see me side with Vlad. I bought the K-Mac setup for my future build.



I hear ya, I really do...

There's a 944 sway-bar sitting right here - goes perfect with those 944 spring-plates, (An M030 even) but it would need to go in the exact place as the traverse... Mad
(The traverse being the bug@5-speed front trans mount)

Found this odd rear sway at the PNP a couple of years ago, and it goes the other way around, attaching to the horns.. I'll have to get a pic of it.

Not really sure I'm going to use it..

If you stiffen the rear torsions, it has the effect of a sway bar,
But also stiffening the rear springing of both wheels at the same time (obviously).
Still,
Never really thought of how stiffer rear torsions also reduce sway until lately...

I have experience with rear bars.

With my bus, it made the thing a bit 'twitchy' at speed;
On the highway, that 'initial moment' is far more pronounced with the rear bar on.

With my Oval, the quest for handling took me about as far as it could up front with the ball-joint beam; including a 2" narrowing to put some proper tires on up front.
That shortening of the front leafs increased their spring rate a bit, and the effect was noticeable.
The rear became soft by comparison, and really upset the handling on a windy, bumpy road.
It would pogo, bouncing and pitching at the limit; the rear flailing about becomes a real problem.
(all else is right on the whole car - I'll not go into all the details - It's not something stupid like loose bearings or worn bushings)


Another reason to stiffen the springing is that the car will be lowered.
Because it will have less effective travel, I'm going to want to try and keep it off of the stops.
A sway bar would do nothing to help this issue, unless it was during a corner.


Something else, is that shocks and springs are to be matched; stiffer shocks are better able to control stiffer springs, and i'm going to be running the notoriously stiff Bilsteins.


Nate was telling me to just run it, and then change them if I needed to later.
This almost makes sense, except I'm going to be SO burned out on this car by the time it comes together it probably won't happen, changing torsions is a PITA, and the thing will be so dang pretty, Murphy will make sure the paint chips off when I pry off the cap thing from the rear fender..


As it is, the bars I have are softer than stock Squareback torsions,
And the weight back there will be large with the motor and trans swap.


If I was worried what this project was costing me, I woulda quit a long time ago.. Wink


Many who run a rear bar end up taking it off.
In the old days, at least..
There were slalom events and such, and people found out through real experience what worked and what didn't.
Back then, rear bars weren't common at all, because it was about using, actual testing and running what worked.
Today there's a bunch of Internet parrots that see stuff for sale and spout how it's the right way to go even if they never actually ran it.
Hence, the Vlad reference... Wink

That's another reason to not run one! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:
Brent wrote:
I'd spend my money on a sway bar over bigger torsion bars... For what Sway-away charges for bigger diameter torsions, ugh. Get a sway bar. my 2 cents.

Probably the only time you'll see me side with Vlad. I bought the K-Mac setup for my future build.



I hear ya, I really do...

There's a 944 sway-bar sitting right here - goes perfect with those 944 spring-plates, (An M030 even) but it would need to go in the exact place as the traverse... Mad
(The traverse being the bug@5-speed front trans mount)

Found this odd rear sway at the PNP a couple of years ago, and it goes the other way around, attaching to the horns.. I'll have to get a pic of it.

Not really sure I'm going to use it..

If you stiffen the rear torsions, it has the effect of a sway bar,
But also stiffening the rear springing of both wheels at the same time (obviously).
Still,
Never really thought of how stiffer rear torsions also reduce sway until lately...

I have experience with rear bars.

With my bus, it made the thing a bit 'twitchy' at speed;
On the highway, that 'initial moment' is far more pronounced with the rear bar on.

With my Oval, the quest for handling took me about as far as it could up front with the ball-joint beam; including a 2" narrowing to put some proper tires on up front.
That shortening of the front leafs increased their spring rate a bit, and the effect was noticeable.
The rear became soft by comparison, and really upset the handling on a windy, bumpy road.
It would pogo, bouncing and pitching at the limit; the rear flailing about becomes a real problem.
(all else is right on the whole car - I'll not go into all the details - It's not something stupid like loose bearings or worn bushings)


Another reason to stiffen the springing is that the car will be lowered.
Because it will have less effective travel, I'm going to want to try and keep it off of the stops.
A sway bar would do nothing to help this issue, unless it was during a corner.


Something else, is that shocks and springs are to be matched; stiffer shocks are better able to control stiffer springs, and i'm going to be running the notoriously stiff Bilsteins.


Nate was telling me to just run it, and then change them if I needed to later.
This almost makes sense, except I'm going to be SO burned out on this car by the time it comes together it probably won't happen, changing torsions is a PITA, and the thing will be so dang pretty, Murphy will make sure the paint chips off when I pry off the cap thing from the rear fender..


As it is, the bars I have are softer than stock Squareback torsions,
And the weight back there will be large with the motor and trans swap.


If I was worried what this project was costing me, I woulda quit a long time ago.. Wink


Many who run a rear bar end up taking it off.
In the old days, at least..
There were slalom events and such, and people found out through real experience what worked and what didn't.
Back then, rear bars weren't common at all, because it was about using, actual testing and running what worked.
Today there's a bunch of Internet parrots that see stuff for sale and spout how it's the right way to go even if they never actually ran it.
Hence, the Vlad reference... Wink

That's another reason to not run one! Laughing


I forgot about that trans mount up under the subframe. Think Hoping Nate will chime in here on the subject as he has a close setup (trans and Type 4) minus those horrible subframe horns... I put Squareback bars in mine, but have totally forgotten how it drives as it's been in storage for 4 years.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Nice progress you're making, even if the weather is working against you.

Can't help you much on the bar situation, other than to mention that the front Squareback upper bar is larger in diameter than Fastback's or Notch's. Don't know if it's enough to make that much of a difference either. You might have to do as Nate suggests, and have a few more beers and think about it some more. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:35 am    Post subject: Happy Mother's Day! Reply with quote

So, I somehow squeaked in a whole day! Shocked
On Mother's Day!
She just went to the farmer's market, then this antique fair, and left the kids with me, and was OK with it! Shocked
Incredible!!
Will wonders never cease..

So,
Here, right in the middle of the pic; a pin-hole buried in seam-seal..
Hard to weld, hard to grind, hard to reach.. At least the wind is down up in there..
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From the other side:
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NOW is the time to chase out the old burned-up seam-seal.
Now is the time to get things welded down solid, so the seams don't fill up with water the first time I drive thru a puddle..

Not really sure if it would be smart to take the torch, and melt out ALL of the seam-seal in the whole wheel-well.
I'm just kind of digging out any that will allow itself to be dug out (because it got burned from the welding heat), and leaving anything that remains intact, intact.
If that makes any sense..


Man, I envy anyone who has a garage or shop.
Welding in the wind is NO fun.
(Been bitching about this too much.. Sorry.. Embarassed )
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Here the last piece gets welded in! Dancing
You can see nice flat/shiny plug welds in-between crispy/boogery ones.
That shows how the wind was gusty; calm, then a gust, then calm.
A welding wind-gauge!
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Ground it down and re-welded until done! Very Happy
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Did I say done?
Done!
Dancing Applause Dancing Applause
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Next move is to throw a tarp over it and sandblast my repair areas,
Then shoot it with some epoxy..
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Applause Applause Applause beer time. Cheers and congratulations on the completion.
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Welp, another day come and gone..

Started off by tarp-ing the thing off, and setting up a blast booth right in the middle of the atrium..
Can't recommend it.
Sand will be part of my program here forevermore..
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The whole odd setup I had with the nozzle and all before was giving me fits;
The f&%*$!@)# thing just would NOT feed!! Evil or Very Mad
Finally just stripped it all down, put it back to factory, and managed to (very slowly) blast my repair areas.
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Who can find the pin-holes in this picture?
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Some pin-holes weld easily.
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Others - not so much.
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Finally just slathered on the Metal-2-Metal.
I'm putting this stuff on thick on purpose.
The metal in these areas is so thin and flimsy.
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Using Bondo for structural reinforcement!
What is this project coming to!?!? Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 11:18 pm    Post subject: Six Days! Reply with quote

My house is rolling up in sight,
If you think I'm happy you're right.
Six days on the road,
And I'm gonna make it home tonight!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ8pOXbS8HY

Well it was a long weekend,
And that makes a total of six days to re-fix the area in the driver's quarter of the car..
And I'm glad it's over - don't mind tellin' ya..

There's a lot of other things I'd rather do to the car;
Just about anything..

I'm getting SICK of this project, folks.
A couple years later, and you expect to see something worthwhile to show for, dig?

Anyhow, enough bitching...

I'll keep it brief - one long day, and one short..
Nobody wants to see a bunch of pics of inner fenderwell repairs - any more than I want to do them.. Confused

After I finally figured out a clever way to light it up under there..
The first coat of Metal-2-Metal glorified Bondo got put on and sanded down.
This revealed a few high spots.
Used a 60-grit Roloc to knock down the high spots that wouldn't be hammered down.
The filler is a bit flexy, and tough enough to still adhere, even after some hammer/dolly action.
It was giving me a pucker to grind these high spots down(!)
I needed to fill new holes like I needed to fill a hole in my head at this point..
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The second coat went on thick. On purpose.
Took and cut a spreader to a radius, to fit the inside of this corner.
Wanted to pile it on thick thru here - make a bigger radius than before.
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There was some fish-eye/reaction along the bottom here.
Just a bit Thank God.
The rest looks pretty good.
It's the right shape at least.
Some scratches showing through, pinholes, etc.,
But it will get high-build, and blocked, maybe some day.
Or maybe not. It's up under the fenderwell for facks sake.. Confused
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Something felt ceremonial about putting the release cable tube back in..
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Something nobody will ever see - all tarted up for no reason!
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The front clip sits there and mocks me.
Just sniggering, knowing it will need moved many many more times..
Pic shows the end of the day's activities..
Already picked up sanding discs and paper a couple three times before this.
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And there you have it.
Six long days of work all wrapped up inta nuttin'!!
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

That inner section looks beautiful Steve. How about putting this more into perspective, figure out how many actual hours you spent on it, then take 2/3rds of those hours and multiply that by 85 bucks per hour, and that's what it would have cost you pay someone to do that repair. Surprised When you start looking at it like that, along with the repair work on your Oval, you quickly understand why you're doing it yourself. Hang in there Steve, you're doing a great job, and it won't be long until you're joining the body to the pan for the last time. Just keep at it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:57 am    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Alright! Way to get in there and knock it out. You got your rhythm back so keep at it!!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread Reply with quote

Thanks for the props, guys.
Really does help to motivate..
The rest of the world does the opposite.


Really looking forward to getting somewhere on this project..!

Days of upside-down welding and grinding and sanding and spraying make me question if this is all really worth it.
Seriously; I feel like such a fool!

The only reason I can't quit now is that I've come too far!
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