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overrestored Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:33 am Post subject: Barndoors, Body Bumper 356's, and 80" Land Rovers... |
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Although I am not a Barndoor owner... I am a big fan. For some reason I am also a big fan of body bumper pre a 50-52 Porsche 356's, and series one 80" land rovers... and I think many others in the vintage VW world also harbor secret lust for very early land rovers and Body Bumper Porsches.
To the average joe... each of these looks the same as it's later and much more common brothers.... but to the cognoscenti there is a world of difference.
SO... two questions:
1) What other cars might fit on this list:
-Barndoor bus
-body bumper pre A 356
-1949-52 series one 80" land rover
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2) What is the commonality between these and what is it that you feel makes these versions so much more attractive and endearing? _________________ some cars
some bicycles
some old skateboards
One cool crazy cat
a yard full of fruit trees
26 chairs for some reason
a crapload of old shoes
a lot of books on history of the Mexican Ranchos
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fuchs lee Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2007 Posts: 26
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:24 am Post subject: |
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54 Oval
65-67 911/912. (I'd take the 912)
Early 70's Audi 60-100
The models you've chosen are the design in their rawest form, before improvements spoil the initial creation. |
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52 deelux Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2005 Posts: 73 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Its obviously a split screen thing.
I concur with your sentiments but have driven a 'Landy' and I doubt I would want to live with one.
I'm fortunate enough to own both the other models you mention but would add this to the list.
Saab 92
Based on the the same principle that the first version of any design is as the designer intended. Further developments are usually watering down the original for saftey or cost saving reasons _________________ 52 BD Deluxe
57 Ghia golde
54 Ragtop |
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7045 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:14 am Post subject: |
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i agree on the split windows, love the Saab, and recommend the Unimog, used to drive one for work...
http://www.trucksplanet.com/photo/mercedes/unimog_..._12133.jpg _________________ regards
Uli
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'53 3-Fold Oval, L35 Metallic Blue, looking for a narrow hatch panel |
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LJay Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Arbroath,Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Great thread!
im really into cars that got the masses moving after the war in the early fifties (splittys,beetles,fiat 600s/500s/2cvs morris minors n minis etc etc) and the early details of these "economic miracle" cars,for me early 2cv's are just awesome,i own an 1988 2cv but its no where near as cool as the early fifties models,i think i'll try pick one up if i ever finish my barndoor
_________________ 1962 Turkis Westfalia so34.
My build thread.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=742279 |
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overrestored Samba Member
Joined: December 24, 2005 Posts: 724
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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So we have:
-Barndoor bus
-50-52 body bumper 356 pre a Porsche
-80" series one Land Rover
-early Citroen 2cv... this absolutely fits! Corrugated hood only.
-Unimog... yes! early "tractor like" version... like the matchbox toy.
-Beetles... yes... easy add... split and oval only though. & standards fit better.
-early saab... don't really know them.. but they seem to fit the mold
-64-65 911... is a tiny stretch due to motor complexity IMHO but I'll defer to group thoughts! Maybe if it has steel wheels rather than fuchs??? Certainly fits in all other respects...
Simplicity and austerity are key in my mind...along with ease of maintenance... and a clear distinct "style" and "community" and "legend" of its very own that lasted for decades.
Kind of a fun collection of cars actually so far.
how about early Vespa scooters with the light on the fender rather than cowl.
Model A fords probably fit... and early mini's too...
I'm not certain that the early audi was revolutionary or new in the way the other's were... maybe the early rabbit though.... but anything after about 1959 and it's newfangled and modern in my eye... so maybe I should just lay low! _________________ some cars
some bicycles
some old skateboards
One cool crazy cat
a yard full of fruit trees
26 chairs for some reason
a crapload of old shoes
a lot of books on history of the Mexican Ranchos
200+ kamax bolts... stacked in rows |
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ambu55 Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2005 Posts: 409
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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LJay wrote: |
Great thread!
im really into cars that got the masses moving after the war in the early fifties (splittys,beetles,fiat 600s/500s/2cvs morris minors n minis etc etc) and the early details of these "economic miracle" cars,for me early 2cv's are just awesome,i own an 1988 2cv but its no where near as cool as the early fifties models,i think i'll try pick one up if i ever finish my barndoor
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hi LJay! what a coinsidence!! we just PM'ed each other recently about barndoor things, and now I see you own a 2CV ?? so do I
...in fact, when I read the start of this topic, and the question on which models are loved by these forum-readers... the first thing I tought of was a 2CV too... but then the AZU or AU models, what you call a 2CV Van in the UK
...here's mine, on the LEFT :
...notice the LOVELY '59 on the right... mine is a '74, and have a close look LJay, it's a real RHD !!! yes, made in Brussels, for the Belgian Post, but in a RHD version!! They used it only very shortly, then it moved to the UK... now back in Belgium after 32 years in UK...
(ps: the '59 is NOT an AU or AZU but a real AZUL, or AZUL Weekend, made in Belgium only)
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LJay Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Arbroath,Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah!nice van Gunther! the belgians got some very special rare 2cv's
i was brought up with aircooled Citroens,this is mines,an 88' ,you guys guys will see lots of differences with mines and the black n white picture-older always is nicer
its got a very strong motor,ive had this thing wound up to about 90mph which is not bad for a 602cc 2 cylinder!
an early 600,maybe 1955
my slightly modifed(lowered and engine lid stand off Abarth bits)its a1970 model,last year of Fiat production,yet again i bought a later model but i bought it before i really got into the early versions of cars when i was alot younger-early 600s should make the list!
just had a thought,ive got a late barndoor!-damn! _________________ 1962 Turkis Westfalia so34.
My build thread.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=742279 |
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2344 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Renault 4CV
Volvo 444
Citroen Traction Avant
Peugeot 403 Cabriolet
Fiat Topolino 500B
oh yeah, lowlight ghia _________________ Jack Staggs
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zimblewinder Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2004 Posts: 893 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Early Ds19. Certainly doesn't fit uncomplicated but as far as smooth classics goes _________________ 58Euro 23 343208 The Ultimate Zimblewinder Machine.
59 mango standard
Wanted- splash pan supports, og pressed bumper coach bolts, ivory blaupunkt knobs (early), armrest alloy strips, NOS door mechanism |
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volksfahrer.nl Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2003 Posts: 2128 Location: Delft Holland
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Early Morris Minor!
They have the headlights in the grill instead of on the fenders.
Later ones are very cool too but those early models are so much sleeker.
Later model
_________________ www.volksfahrer.nl
www.theundutchables.nl
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2103 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:47 am Post subject: |
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early WWII Jeeps ?
Of course the '59 Mini.
The TR2.
The 39 Triumph Speed twin, girder forks, rigid frame and all.
A DC3 Airplane.
A Lucky Strike box.
A vintage coke bottle.
A wurlitzer juke box.
An elvis' Sun 78.
it's all about the unique , original personality of a design that gets spoiled by later design 'improvements'.
Think a bout tri Chevys. The 55 is an utmost original with its Ferrari like grille and ultrasmooth ( for the time) taillights and fins and Hardtop design roof. The 56 is an ugly rip off and the 57 is only an overdone fading beauty compared to the original 55. and talking about BARNDOORS, and later none-BD, I just hate about everything they added, from the roof vent to the small engine lid, the ugly 2 spoke steering wheel, the fat bumpers, the hudge rear window, the fisheye blinkers, the flat taillights, the inverted air louvers, the 14 inchers, just about everything Sorry, not trying to hate on the fat bus lovers but it's a NO GO. _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
Barndoor + Kohlruss Coachbuilt and Oval afficionado
52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:54 am Post subject: |
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LJay wrote: |
just had a thought,ive got a late barndoor!-damn! |
X2 _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
Barndoor + Kohlruss Coachbuilt and Oval afficionado
52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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ambu55 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:36 am Post subject: |
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@ Ljay : like your Dolly 2cv !! and the 600... great!!
...some more:
...a Messerschmitt (plus early Belgian 2cv in Holland) and this BMW Isetta :
G. |
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52 deelux Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2005 Posts: 73 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:57 am Post subject: |
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I think some people are missing the point here. What makes the initial designs mentioned so interesting was an unconventionality. I don't think baby Fiats or Morris Minors were.
I don't think the thread is about design classics, more about the draw of a 'certain design' to like minded individuals.
I like these too.
_________________ 52 BD Deluxe
57 Ghia golde
54 Ragtop |
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transportertalkman Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:19 am Post subject: Inclusive to list |
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Tatra or Tatraplan. _________________ 1951 Belgium Standard
1957 Ghia coupe
1960 Double Cab
1963 Ghia convertible
1964 Westfalia SO34
1967 Riviera Camper |
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mandraks Samba Member
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Tonny_Larsen Samba Member
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Drew Ogden Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Buses, American wagons, fuselage imperials, and early porsches.....
(german content in each photo, if you count Lind and Don in the first pic)
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2103 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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mandraks wrote: |
and then there are the ones that should have been successful, and weren't |
TUCKER _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
Barndoor + Kohlruss Coachbuilt and Oval afficionado
52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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