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notchy
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 Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: Type 3 IRS Trailing / Diagonal Arms - The same as Type 1? |
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Hi
I have bent my type 3 'Rear' IRS diagonal arm.
I know this has been asked before but I couldn't find a definate answer, are the Type 3 IRS Trailing/Diagonal Arms - the same as Type 1?
Thanks
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blankmange
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no - they are specific to the Type 3...
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notchy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| Ok, thanks for the answer, off to the classified ads for T3 parts. |
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Mark Shutt
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| blankmange wrote: |
| no - they are specific to the Type 3... |
what's the difference? I thought they were the same?? |
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blankmange
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark Shutt wrote: |
| blankmange wrote: |
| no - they are specific to the Type 3... |
what's the difference? I thought they were the same?? |
my bad - misread the title of the thread.... I thought we were talking about the front suspension, not the rear....
(retracting my goof, I am)
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notchy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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So are we now saying they are the same? the 'rear' trailing / diagonal arms?
Could someone please verify, thanks  |
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| 99% sure they are the same. |
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Are you speaking of #26?
PN# 113 501 503E Control arm, left
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PN#113 501 504E Control arm, right |
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notchy
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Yes item #29 is the one that got bent. I have found a importer in the UK who has a few T1 arms, so I'm going to order one.
Just one more question, I note that both item's #27 (large washer) is shown to be on one side of the pivot bolt, shouldn't this be one either side of the bush #29?
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can anyone confirm that? my bushings probably need to be changed and nobody stocks the type 3 part number |
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Here is a comparision between the two bushings.
Since I am running a T4 motor (heavier), I am running the T1 bushings. |
Is there an installation mark on that Type 3 bushing? That may be a longitudinally-compliant bushing that actually would improve your handling with a Type 4 engine in there. These bushings are not weight bearing. What that one on the right can do for you is add a little diagonal arm steering under cornering loads. If the flat sections are supposed to be vertical, then you will get a little rear wheel toe-out under cornering, which does a great job of transferring cornering loads to the front for more balance.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| notchy wrote: |
Yes item #29 is the one that got bent. I have found a importer in the UK who has a few T1 arms, so I'm going to order one.
Just one more question, I note that both item's #27 (large washer) is shown to be on one side of the pivot bolt, shouldn't this be one either side of the bush #29?
Thanks for the great feedback to all. |
No. They both go on the same side. It won't line up right if you put them on wrong.
I'm almost certain that the original bushings I took out of my 69 were completely round and did not have the flats on them. I replaced them with the same style, completely round.
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| Multi69s wrote: |
Here is a comparision between the two bushings.
Since I am running a T4 motor (heavier), I am running the T1 bushings. |
Is there an installation mark on that Type 3 bushing? That may be a longitudinally-compliant bushing that actually would improve your handling with a Type 4 engine in there. These bushings are not weight bearing. What that one on the right can do for you is add a little diagonal arm steering under cornering loads. If the flat sections are supposed to be vertical, then you will get a little rear wheel toe-out under cornering, which does a great job of transferring cornering loads to the front for more balance.
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so do I mount them with the full rubber part in the vertical plane or in the horizontal plane? |
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Clatter
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Type 3 IRS Trailing / Diagonal Arms - The same as Type 1? |
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Hi,
Digging up this old post from years past..
Do the solid areas of the bushing align vertically,
Or do the flat spaces with no rubber align vertically?
Said another way,
Does the sold area go across the top/bottom,
Or along the sides?
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Clatter
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Type 3 IRS Trailing / Diagonal Arms - The same as Type 1? |
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Lookahere.. A post from the Type 1 late model forum.
It looks like the flats/nubs go kind of diagonally??  
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Type 3 IRS Trailing / Diagonal Arms - The same as Type 1? |
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Brent
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Type 3 IRS Trailing / Diagonal Arms - The same as Type 1? |
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There are a couple pics if you search through the classifieds that show the same as above (first picture with screwdriver). I just crawled under my car to check how I did it as I remember searching for the orientation too. I put them slightly offset like the picture with the screwdriver.
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