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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Russ, I lot of improvements have been done lately to this 'swedish' beauty and it is well maintained and improved all the time. Pics will come.

('swedish' since it slept in the woods of Sweden for some decades Cool )
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

I am considering rear safari window for this bd beast. One day I am FOR it, next day I think it is not a good idea.

What do you think? Should I or should I not? Soll ich oder nicht? I can always quickly go back to og, the window frame is going to be almost unmolested.(couple of small holes only)

The bus has front safari windows.

Please vote YES/NO with a short motivation.

THANKS!

https://creative-engineering.com/product/small-rear-safari-kit-polished/
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

I vote no. Not an item ever available from vw. more of a modern dream accessory. Safari's and open side windows is plenty of airflow for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

Same feeling as EmpiGT, love this accessory but i think it will be too much on this van ... Wink sorry ...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:19 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

No. They look like crap....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

No, plus you end up stucking in your exhaust fumes if run open.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

^^^^^

What he said. If you camp in your bus a lot I can see that being kind of nice but not so great for driving around with it open unless it's a single or double cab so you don't get the exhaust fumes coming inside the bus
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:42 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for your votes and feedback, guys. And for the good motivations!

Would be nice to have a YES with motivation, just for the record...

But apparently my van is going to keep rolling as it is today. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

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Possible vintage accessory?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

Now that was a nice one! Holy cow yo! Judging by the dust layer I would say first days of 'Aug 1950'. There was a change in mid Aug.

Most original rear safari INNA world. This og feature was 'one car only'. (Call the exorcist!)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

I have an older guy working on the sheet metal of the barndoor and he really does some magic, no welding, no bondo just plain old style sheet metal repair.

The right rear corner that was pretty destroyed looks unbelievable, the curve has the exact radius as when the car left Wolfsburg. Next time he is gonna do magic on the right engine louvres and the right hand side that is in sad condition.

I've seen a lot of good and bad sheet metal repair. This guy is brilliant, he has been retired for 10 years and only does very few jobs and he hates stress.

MY QUESTION: I wish to improve the red lower color of the bus so to have a more uniform aspect all round but still to look old and far from perfect.

Would like to hear your ideas on how to achieve this. And how far to go.

Rear right corner as found in the woods of northern Sweden.
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Rear right corner after first fix. Can't be seen in the pic but the metal sheet is totally wrinkly:
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Rear right corner after magic sheet metal repair. No welding. No bondo. Just plain good old style classic magic sheet metal repair. The radius of the curve is perfect, the pic doesn't show how good it really is.
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Soon we will be working on the louvres and the whole right side:
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

luftgekuhlt wrote:
I have an older guy working on the sheet metal of the barndoor and he really does some magic, no welding, no bondo just plain old style sheet metal repair.

The right rear corner that was pretty destroyed looks unbelievable, the curve has the exact radius as when the car left Wolfsburg. Next time he is gonna do magic on the right engine louvres and the right hand side that is in sad condition.

I've seen a lot of good and bad sheet metal repair. This guy is brilliant, he has been retired for 10 years and only does very few jobs and he hates stress.

MY QUESTION: I wish to improve the red lower color of the bus so to have a more uniform aspect all round but still to look old and far from perfect.

Would like to hear your ideas on how to achieve this. And how far to go.

Rear right corner as found in the woods of northern Sweden.
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Rear right corner after first fix. Can't be seen in the pic but the metal sheet is totally wrinkly:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Rear right corner after magic sheet metal repair. No welding. No bondo. Just plain good old style classic magic sheet metal repair. The radius of the curve is perfect, the pic doesn't show how good it really is.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Soon we will be working on the louvres and the whole right side:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Wow! Is that just by using metal and wood dollys, shrinking hammers etc?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:21 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

Yes amazing. I wish there was a video to see the process. That metal work is King. Applause
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

obus wrote:


Wow! Is that just by using metal and wood dollys, shrinking hammers etc?


Correct. Just good old school tools, and LOTS of patience. He is 75 y.o.

Now I must solve the painting issue, maybe faketina.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

LAGrunthaner wrote:
Yes amazing. I wish there was a video to see the process. That metal work is King. Applause


Good idea. I'll try to convince him however he likes to work in peace, slowly and at his own pace. But it would be gold to document the process. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

I don't blame him it is an art and he is a master of art. Just wishful thinking.

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LAGrunthaner wrote:
Yes amazing. I wish there was a video to see the process. That metal work is King. Applause


Good idea. I'll try to convince him however he likes to work in peace, slowly and at his own pace. But it would be gold to document the process. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

I would need to raise the rear section of the bus, the suspension is slammed way too much (prior owner). I believe the rear trans axle is from a karmann ghia if I remember correct.

It would be enough if it coud be raised (rear) with 2-3 cm.

1) Shock absorbers have been changed to largest possible (~40cm)

2) It can be seen that the arm cannot be lowered more, it is at the max position see (2)

3) have unscrewed the bolt the the max which lowered the arm slightly and raised the bus' rear part 2 cm

What else can be done to raise the bus (rear) a couple of cm more?
Can it be done with the rear torsion bars and splines? Would appreciate pics or links.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 51 Barndoor basket case Reply with quote

The rear can be raised by indexing the plates. Depending on desired height and the current degree, you could get away with only changing the plate position on the outer spline. However, by changing the inner and outer spline position, you can refine the degrees even further.

Since they have already been changed, the easiest way is to place an degree/angle finder on the top of the spring plate and determine what it currently is. I believe 20/21 degree is stock, but it requires preload in order to get it up and into the torsion housing. If you don't want to go fully stock, then maybe this will help with where you want to be. For example, If you're at 12 degrees, then maybe 16 is a good compromise.

I know there is an image here stating how much indexing each inner and outer spline changes things, but it really is not necessary if you find the degree, unless you're shooting for a very specific degree, then it would make it much less trial and removal. JUST MAKE SURE EACH SIDE MATCHES OR YOUR BUS WILL SIT LOPSIDED.

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