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hootowls Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2005 Posts: 63 Location: Lompoc, CA
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mario_0609 Samba Member
Joined: June 08, 2008 Posts: 156 Location: Vintage VW place of pilgrimage; Germany
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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But, other than described on the chart, it had the light beige headliner, not light-grey. |
I'd like to take this back now and claim the opposite.
I believed to have had a beige headliner since i got my 58 in 2003, but I've got a little bit sceptical when the L41-Chart stated that there should be a grey headliner in a black 58 and not a beige one.
So, I gave the remains of my og headliner a scrutinised inspection. And voilà, I found that it used to be a grey fabric indeed!
Looks beige on the first view, but ....
after a little washing: Grey, indeed!
Obviously, decades of smoking gave my headliner this 'healthy' beige hue. yack. Kids, don't start to smoke.
hootowls wrote: |
Your seat material looks like it has survived really well! |
YES! It's like new!
And this is why:
Back in those times, people in Germany oftentimes added aftermarket seat covers over their seats immediately after they purchased their car in order to keep resale-value as high as possible. (although, they could enjoy their new seats then....) This was done with mine as well, red seat covers and even sideboard-covers were added:
And, when they were worn through at some time, they just added another seat cover over the first one in my car... nice, fakey fur ones
Underneath all those covers, there is everything in blue!
But i will definitely go with the red stuff again when I'll put my 58 back together. I think it looks nice.
Haven't deceided about headliner colour though.... _________________ cheers, Mario
* 22 Oct. '58 export bug
* 27 June 72 Westfalia Camper |
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OvalTeenAZ Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2007 Posts: 661 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Heres the Interior in my original Black 59 semaphore ragtop.
Ive seen one other black car with blue interior. 24k original Km...
I havent taken the covers off the front seats yet. But the original material is there.
Heres the all original 58 euro.
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john7 Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2003 Posts: 1542 Location: Garden grove ca
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Agave wrote: |
john7 wrote: |
i had a green seat with green bars that came out of an agave green 58 |
Thats what I need for my 58.... |
sorry sold it a couple years ago _________________ Jesus Saves
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mario_0609 Samba Member
Joined: June 08, 2008 Posts: 156 Location: Vintage VW place of pilgrimage; Germany
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:20 am Post subject: |
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OvalTeenAZ wrote: |
Heres the Interior in my original Black 59 semaphore ragtop.
Ive seen one other black car with blue interior. 24k original Km...
I havent taken the covers off the front seats yet. But the original material is there.
Heres the all original 58 euro.
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So, is this the og light-grey headliner? Looks more white to me... ...I'm confused. _________________ cheers, Mario
* 22 Oct. '58 export bug
* 27 June 72 Westfalia Camper |
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huskyboy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Here's some stuff from my '59 garnet red. Very dirty. I wish the drivers door panel was useable, the rest seems to be fine with a little cleaning.
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hootowls Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2005 Posts: 63 Location: Lompoc, CA
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Side-by-side comparison of the Red / Green / Blue material samples for the door panels and seats. I've seen the door panel insert material referred to as both a "diamond" and "waffle" style pattern. Interesting how the grey was subtly tinted to coordinate with the primary color.
P134 Brown-Grey / P133 Green-Grey / P132 Blue-Grey
K305 Brown-Grey / K304 Green-Grey / K303 Blue-Grey
K183 Red-Brown / K182 Grey-Green / K181 Blue
KsK3 Brown-Grey / KsK2 Green-Grey / KsK1 Blue-Grey
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spectre6000 Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2009 Posts: 2014 Location: Broomfield, CO
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:32 am Post subject: |
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At first glance I thought the fabric was a houndstooth pattern, but with the considerably larger image above (click on it, it's huge) it's obviously not a houndstooth. The guy doing the body work (and teaching me to do it) on my '58 works at a restoration shop, and I talked to the owner last night and he said he could do the seat covers without hesitation and the price was pretty attractive given the quality I've seen coming out of there (mainly because it's such a simple interior). I've been looking through all of the major manufacturers for interior kits, and none of them have a fabric that's terribly close to what I need. Does anyone know where I can get some fabric that's at least close to OG? Specifically the P134 Brown-Grey. _________________ Jason Hopper
-'58 German Market Deluxe Beetle (in progress)
-'84 M1009 CUCV
-'81 K10
"Buy the best, cry once." -Gene Berg
"A cheap man will always buy the cheapest thing available, and then buys another one hoping for a better result, and then spends the rest of his life in misery complaining about it. A thrifty man will buy a good part once and never think about it again." -RockCrusher
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:19 am Post subject: Re: Door Panels |
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Black58EuroBug wrote: |
You can buy vinyl dye from Eastwood to dye your panels back to original color. You can kinda see the original color gray is much darker and fades a great deal over the years as well as the blue, red or green color. Just look at the areas that were hidden from the light, areas that folded around the edge or covered by the chrome strip. I dyed mine with the vinyl dye back to the original blue and gray and it looks fantastic and both colors matched perfectly.
I had the seat fabric custom woven to match the original by a woman in Canada with German thread. |
for the vinyl die did you use the Ford "shadow blue" from eastwood? it looks too bright, the OG vw blue is closer to Navy blue than that... which shade of grey as well? _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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Black58EuroBug Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2004 Posts: 180 Location: 8,500 feet high in Nederland, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Door Panels |
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guteandtite wrote: |
for the vinyl die did you use the Ford "shadow blue" from eastwood? it looks too bright, the OG vw blue is closer to Navy blue than that... which shade of grey as well? |
Yes, Shadow Blue I believe is correct. You can't go by the swatch you see on your monitor since all monitors are set differently the color will appear different on everyone's monitor and not quite accurate.
I bought different shades of blue and the gray to try to match it and Shadow Blue was not one I originally bought. I had to reorder more colors and found the Shadow Blue is a very dark navy blue. It was right on when I matched it to the color of the original vinyl color under the chrome strip. I think the gray was Warm Gray, but I'd have to go find a can of it to make sure.
Here's what the colors look like:
_________________ Kimberly
9/9/57 European Beetle L41 "Schnitzel" |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Door Panels |
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Black58EuroBug wrote: |
guteandtite wrote: |
for the vinyl die did you use the Ford "shadow blue" from eastwood? it looks too bright, the OG vw blue is closer to Navy blue than that... which shade of grey as well? |
Yes, Shadow Blue I believe is correct. You can't go by the swatch you see on your monitor since all monitors are set differently the color will appear different on everyone's monitor and not quite accurate.
I bought different shades of blue and the gray to try to match it and Shadow Blue was not one I originally bought. I had to reorder more colors and found the Shadow Blue is a very dark navy blue. It was right on when I matched it to the color of the original vinyl color under the chrome strip. I think the gray was Warm Gray, but I'd have to go find a can of it to make sure.
Here's what the colors look like:
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Id love to know the gray you used for sure, the cool gray the have on eastwoods site looks closer to correct, but curious what you used, it looks gorgeous. Is that an actual dye or is it more of a "vinyl paint"? Your panels look gorgeous! Did you take of the piping or did you remove it and staple it back on?? Did you do your seats too? I'd love to see pics of your interior! _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
PUNCTUATION CHANGES THE WORLD: "I need to help my uncle, Jack, off a horse" is way better than, "I need to help my uncle jack off a horse" |
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Black58EuroBug Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2004 Posts: 180 Location: 8,500 feet high in Nederland, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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I will hunt around this weekend for the can. I removed the vinyl and the piping from the boards, repaired the broken clip holes in the boards with fiberglass resin, cleaned and dyed the vinyl then glued it back on. I scrubbed the piping with Bon Ami then stapled the piping back on. The staples are hard to find though, I found ones really close at www.mcmaster.com and a stapler there. The dye is sprayed on like paint, but it's really flexible and is like a dye more than a paint. If you buy all the prep stuff it really works well.
My seats were toast, I had my Euro fabric custom woven and then sewn by Lenny with the right color vinyl. Here is my back seat bottom, I haven't taken any more pics yet of the rest:
_________________ Kimberly
9/9/57 European Beetle L41 "Schnitzel" |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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ive noticed Lenny does this thing on the seats about 4 inches forward on the seat bottom from the back rest the cover has a stitch down through the seat springs to pull a crease in the seat bottom. it looks like only cars with cloth topped original seat covers had this, and the leatherette topped seats did not. am i wrong on this? i have very nice og seat covers and there is no threads coming through the the covers. they were removed from the seats with the horsehair pads intact and there no thread there. hmmm... any one know this detail?? _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Door Panels |
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guteandtite wrote: |
Black58EuroBug wrote: |
guteandtite wrote: |
for the vinyl die did you use the Ford "shadow blue" from eastwood? it looks too bright, the OG vw blue is closer to Navy blue than that... which shade of grey as well? |
Yes, Shadow Blue I believe is correct. You can't go by the swatch you see on your monitor since all monitors are set differently the color will appear different on everyone's monitor and not quite accurate.
I bought different shades of blue and the gray to try to match it and Shadow Blue was not one I originally bought. I had to reorder more colors and found the Shadow Blue is a very dark navy blue. It was right on when I matched it to the color of the original vinyl color under the chrome strip. I think the gray was Warm Gray, but I'd have to go find a can of it to make sure.
Here's what the colors look like:
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Id love to know the gray you used for sure, the cool gray the have on eastwoods site looks closer to correct, but curious what you used, it looks gorgeous. Is that an actual dye or is it more of a "vinyl paint"? Your panels look gorgeous! Did you take of the piping or did you remove it and staple it back on?? Did you do your seats too? I'd love to see pics of your interior! |
any update on the proper grey? i have a set of blue 58 door panels on their way to me and want to get busy dying the interior when they get here. im hot to trot! _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
PUNCTUATION CHANGES THE WORLD: "I need to help my uncle, Jack, off a horse" is way better than, "I need to help my uncle jack off a horse" |
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bsvwoc Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:06 pm Post subject: 1958-59 interiors |
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That is my '58 beetle on the repro photos at the top of this page.
I have since found original rear panels.
Although my car didn't have it's original interior when I bought it, I went with the red/brown combination.
Occasionally dealers would swap interiors for there customers, so you may find a car with a interior that doesn't fit the color charts.
As a rule 90% of the black beetles came with the red/brown combination.
The headliners were gray, and the carpet a dark gray.
Gray rubber mats were offered for the first time in 1958.
Also if you have an original door panel, remove the chrome trim and you will see the gray color it was when new. There were no beige door panels in 1958-59
Finally the seat rails matched the color interior. |
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Deanodynosaurs Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2007 Posts: 26 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to resurrect a old thread, but i am desperate to find somebody who can supply this cloth material (pattern on right). I'm in the UK, but happy to have it shipped. Can anyone help?
Cheers,
Dude _________________ My 58 Ragtop Restoration
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princeherman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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I ordered seat cover replacements and matching door panels that were correct reproductions for my 59 from either Wolfsburg West or westcoastmetric(I cant remember and I cant find that receipt, sorry). They made them to order which took about eight weeks, and besides the fade of the originals they match exactly. When I placed the order they called me to confirm textures so I sent them a photo so they could match. _________________ princeHerman
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Deanodynosaurs Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2007 Posts: 26 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:23 am Post subject: |
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princeherman wrote: |
I ordered seat cover replacements and matching door panels that were correct reproductions for my 59 from either Wolfsburg West or westcoastmetric(I cant remember and I cant find that receipt, sorry). They made them to order which took about eight weeks, and besides the fade of the originals they match exactly. When I placed the order they called me to confirm textures so I sent them a photo so they could match. |
Thanks for the reply princeherman.
So WW or WCM were able to do your seats with the square pattern cloth? It's this i cant find, I can get the rest of the material in the UK.
The other issue I have is that I am not using standard beetle seat in the front. I have fitted a pair of 912 seats with headrests. Thus i'd really like to get hold of the material, so I can have these trimmed.
Dude _________________ My 58 Ragtop Restoration
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princeherman Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think they sub out the work to a shop that does the work custom so they may be able to make what you need. Hope this helps _________________ princeHerman
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Mayor Marion Berry Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2014 Posts: 119 Location: Fredericksbug VA
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:48 am Post subject: |
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oh man, thank you! Been looking for this for a while, yet I didn't even know they existed. Looks like my 59 really is diamond grey! |
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