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Terry Kay Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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torocreek wrote: |
Just finished doing my top. I was almost talked into painting the top
until I saw the results others were having with Penetrol on the Samba.
My top was almost pink. Two coats is all it took.
A great result for only ten bucks.
BEFORE
WIPE ON
FINAL RESULT STILL NOT COMPLETELY DRY
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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tam_shops wrote: |
I did a layer of Penetrol on mine, could use another, but also realized that it could use another scrub kind of clean first after I started, but I'd just washed it...It is PRETTY! Well, minus all the scratches, dents and imperfections! LOL
Thanks for the cheap suggestion and fun in the sun everyone!
tam
Oh, and I use a mop to wash the top half & pop top of the Vanagon, never thought of the car wash, do that by hand and w/ my mop. Will get dh to use the scrub brush first next time. He seems to enjoy this shining stuff and helped wax too. He has no problem reaching! |
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Terry Kay Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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modjustin wrote: |
I just used penetrol on my top, it looks brand new, couldn't even tell the difference where the sun bleached section met the section behind the cargo area that is covered when the pop top in down. I know there's some negative aspects to this, but as of now it looks great, hopefully it last at least a summer...
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Terry Kay Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hybrid VW wrote: |
Here's a couple of pics of a Penetrol application on the top for a brown '85:
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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These few posts with results should keep a few busy for awhile.
Start at page one, find the answers to your questions. _________________ T.K. |
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ServantOfElwood Samba Member
Joined: July 25, 2014 Posts: 200 Location: The Wet Side of WA
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Here's when I did the luggage rack, you can see the finished and unfinished. I used an old piece of T-shirt and mopped Penetrol on liberally without leaving puddles or runs. To me it didn't make it noticeably more tan, but definitely took away that light weathered bloom. I couldn't tell you about durability because the van is still inside.
_________________ The Ghost Ship - 1984 Westfalia 2WD
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=602180
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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I don't recall seeing any posts re how many years it will last _________________ .... |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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That has been posted here and on other penetrol posts.
I know real well application frequency was brought up today. _________________ T.K. |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Merian wrote: |
Penetrol will last at least 2 years in Western Oregon - and my Westy sits out all year. |
You are asking, here's what sombody added on the last column;
Really.) _________________ T.K.
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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It lasted about as long as the peanut oil did on my exhaust |
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Terry Kay Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Run the van through an truck wash acid bath right after the penetrol application, similar to the salt acid bath you gave your rusted up bone yard pipes.
Don't start seasoning anything fresh outa the box, treat them after they got cancer, leukemia, then bum rap the process.
Really.
Why not zinc chromate your rear suspension boxes after they already have 8" bomb holes in them--plate right over the creaping crud.
Hey----new paint shop in your area.
They only will refinish your ride if it minus the rocker panels ,& rear quarters.
Paint right over the smega.
Right on man.
New millennium thought process.
Time to change your oil is after the engine blows up, then blame the oil company.
Common'
The penetrol works well IF you start treating the fiberglass prior to the hairs standing outa the gel coat.
First application to totally chaulked out top?
Did mine twice.
Then one time in the spring thereafter.
Lasts all season. _________________ T.K.
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Terry, I don't know if English is your first language, but I am asking if others have had Penetrol last for several years. It looks like mine may last that long.
Or not at all if insyncro was not making a joke.
I'd expect that a van sitting out in SoCal (ozone & UV exposure) would have the shortest life. _________________ .... |
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Merian wrote: |
Terry, I don't know if English is your first language, but I am asking if others have had Penetrol last for several years. It looks like mine may last that long.
Or not at all if insyncro was not making a joke.
I'd expect that a van sitting out in SoCal (ozone & UV exposure) would have the shortest life. |
No joke.
I tried it on the top of one of my Syncro Westys, Orly Blue.
It looked great day one, than over 18 months to 2 years it slowly chalked back up and in some areas you can see it still.
Looks like blue digital camo now almost 5 years later.
Most definitely will need heavy sanding to remove it for restoration.
This van is pristine.
I bought another top from a 91 to replace the original with.
I am painting this time.
Penetrol, peanut oil, MMO....all hacks in my mind.
Sure they work for a bit, but if you want it to last, I would choose another route. |
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candyman Samba Trout Slayer
Joined: December 20, 2003 Posts: 2694 Location: Missoula MT
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Merian wrote: |
Terry, I don't know if English is your first language, but I am asking if others have had Penetrol last for several years. It looks like mine may last that long.
Or not at all if insyncro was not making a joke.
I'd expect that a van sitting out in SoCal (ozone & UV exposure) would have the shortest life. |
I did mine two summers ago and its ready for another application. That is almost two years, in western MT, sitting out and used all year in all kinds of harsh conditions. Hope that helps.
Incidentally, i dont believe it would be a big deal for prep if were going to get painted, unless of course it was just applied. Any quality paint prep cleaner or final clean product will certainly do the job. Just make sure it gets thoroughly cleaned before any sanding or it will get in deep and could possibly haunt you pater on. |
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Do a test and try to remove it once cured with a solvent.
What did you use, if it worked? |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Lacquer thinner.
This stuff is primarily a paint fortifier.
After it's dry, no big deal.
The crazies are going to run some sort of sander over the top anyway, removing all of the dimples off of the roof anyhow---you think they'll miss a wiped on, dry coat of Linseed oil?
I think this may be a little difficult to get done-- blast past the penetrol.
After seeing ( again ) the way the stuff brightens up the top in record time, who in their right mind would then consider painting?
Unless the top is worse than anything pictured.
Then skip the penetrol, go directly to the paint store. _________________ T.K. |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7916 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Terry Kay wrote: |
What exactly was "the oxidation remover" |
What part of "From page 5" did you not understand? If you can go back and copy every infinitesimal photo in this topic, surely you could have gone back to actually read my post from page 5, and see the photo of the exact product used.
Terry Kay wrote: |
What did you seal the gel coat with after you scrubbed the outer layer off? |
I didn't scrub any outer layer off, other than the 20-year-old crap embedded into the texture. Using a plastic, soft-bristled brush is a helluva lot different from sanding.
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If the oxidation remover was as simple as wiping a coat of Penetrol on, taking all of 20-30 minutes from start to finished product, you may be onto something easier than the Penetrol application, that I am not aware of. |
Again, go to page 5 and read what I did and why I did it. Since every other before/after was repeated, here's mine:
Three years and still going, although I'll be reapplying this year merely because the sheen is gone; no oxidation has returned (van is garaged when not on the road, which helps).
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Penetrol, peanut oil, MMO....all hacks in my mind.
Sure they work for a bit, but if you want it to last, I would choose another route. |
So, you never apply wax to your van's paint? Never apply a 303-like product to vinyl and rubber? Applying Penetrol, or whatever product you prefer, is part of vehicle maintenance, IMO, not a "hack". Having to apply Penetrol to the roof every couple of years to keep it looking nice? Yeah, big chore. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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Terry Kay Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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I did see the blue bottles of polish in the 5th page.
Looks like too much work to me.
I am pretty confident it was more than a wave of a rag over the color.
Nothing I have seen works this easy.
The garage helps a bunch from keeping the oxidation blues away, that's for sure.
I was thinking that you got plenty of time outa that job.
You cheated--
The garage.
Spend $15,000 on a decent garage, or $10.00 on a bottle of penetrol.
Yep, 1 + 1 doesn't always equal 2. _________________ T.K. |
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Michael4104 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Terry,
Right under you avatar there is a phrase " The no spin zone" does that apply to you?
Seems to me you spinning something and it's getting deep. _________________ 1990 Wolfsburg Carat with new poptop.
1985 Westy now sporting a 1995 Jetta ABA 2.0L. Sold |
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Terry Kay Banned
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone use PENETROL on their poptop? |
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Ever use Blue Coral?
How bout Simonize?
You like spinning your wheels, tell me you just Blue Coraled, or Simonized your pop top.
Got a free week or two?
Anything more than wiping on a coat of the Penetrol with an old T-shirt on that dimpled top is way too much screwing around.
And remember, the entire program minus digging out your step ladder is no more than 30 minutes.
You are correct, this is the No Spin Zone.
Read the testimonials along with the pictures I dug up cause nobody wanted to, and unspin yourself from any difficult work.
Or go build or rent a garage to keep the top looking good.
Makes all kinds of good sense to me.
Kam has the benifit of a roof over his buffed out fiberglass.
You know how long that shiny top would have lasted without it?
Not too long.
Maybe a week in the summer.
Wax on, wax off, once a week would have been that deal without cover over the vehicle.
I can't imagine faux buffing and waxing that pimpled top, without removing half of them in the process any faster than the Penetrol.
If the stuff milked out in 18 months somebody used ; the wrong application process, or just simply jipped the job.
Not enough product will do it every time. _________________ T.K.
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