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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

regis101 wrote:
Here in Cali-Land that modified intake wouldn't pass the Visual. Otherwise we'd be all over all kinds of groovy


I doubt this is a solution of any kind, but the modded intake I've been thinking
of [edit for a 15º swap]
is a Passat intake with an angled section cut out of the middle to position
runners closer together.

Looking at an image of that intake again, this likely wouldn't work; it would
put the outer runners too far in? Might not clear the alternator?
If not, I'd section it, then weld it to a cut ABA lower plenum.

Neil.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

I'm thinkin' FAS has something for this. I'll have to browse their site

* Didn't find what I was looking for but did find this. Here's a link to their tranny program. Half way down is a pic of the 50* AGG getting some new gearage. Pic has a guy with a grey Hard Rock shirt

http://www.foreignautosupply.com/engine-and-drive-train-programs/transmissions/
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Looks a lot like the Tiico intake.

FAS has a short runner type intake. I'm not at hom right now so no link but they do have a cool picasaweb "beta" album. Totally worth viewing. The Sri type intake I refer to is shown there.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:46 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

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mellowslow wrote:
This ADY might not fit under the decklid with the existing intake but damn complete new engine for the price!:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-VW-Genuine-Golf-Pa...SwZJlXMkln

Will fit AGG they say.


I like that exhaust header type manifold. Engine has older style timing belt
and coolant pump set up. Simpler is better in my books.
I'd suggest that the throttle body would stick up higher than top of ABA/AEG
intake. BUT..... could one install an older Mk2 intake on that puppy?
Much better price than the CBP Jetta long block (2008-2010) Quality German
sells and I'd think the CBP would not be an easy fit.
QG also sells rebuilt ABA engines at $999. Core charge is $200. I have no idea
what the quality is though.


I did not know that QG did rebuilds of our motor. Good to know if i ever need it done...it will be many years before that happens i suspect. I bought my 83+ rubber motor mounts from them...great price and VERY fast shipping.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

I've done plenty of intakes with ground welds and sections of factory plenums that visually looked stock, it's not all that hard to do, just requires a LOT of time to get right!

I will post up some exhaust pics in a bit google+ is acting up on me
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

^^
ya I'm having trouble with picasaweb right now....

Online, I've seen it's possible to set up a MIG for aluminum welding.
I may delve into it someday.

As per someone else suggestion some years ago, I also wonder if a flipped
Mk1 intake would work. Might put TB on wrong end of engine and would require
an adaptor if running the square TB.

edit: on a cross flow like ABA. "flip" would mean cut and weld obviously
maybe using existing ABA lower plenum.


VWinVT: the rebuild option may be a more recent addition to their services?
I don't recall seeing it before.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

icolquhoun wrote:
I've done plenty of intakes with ground welds and sections of factory plenums that visually looked stock, it's not all that hard to do, just requires a LOT of time to get right!

I will post up some exhaust pics in a bit google+ is acting up on me


Beautiful swap! I'd love to see / hear more about what you used for the throttle cable, wiring (obd1 or 2?) and see more pictures! Great job!
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

If someone would get an intake like that and a descent exhaust manifold approved by CARB in California I think we would see a bunch of these on the road. I loved my 2.0 inline conversion, but moved to CA and it got difficult.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

2.25" SS exhaust:

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showing the heat shield:

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from the rear (it tucks more than the pic shows):

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brackets to hold exhaust:

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

icolquhoun wrote:
2.25" SS exhaust:

[pic]

showing the heat shield:

[pic]

from the rear (it tucks more than the pic shows):

[pic]

brackets to hold exhaust:

[pic]



That's a really nice setup!
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

icolquhoun wrote:
2.25" SS exhaust:

[ g]

Yours is very much similar to mine.
seeing your last pic, it seems like you are clamping the silencer to the cross member.

I have kept the unit floating right through. No vibration.
I also suggest to make the unit into two piece. It will avoid cracks

My setup
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

My v 1.x had a Walker Quiet Flow. It was quiet but lacked braces at inlet
and outlet pipes and it rusted pretty quick. Those factors caused cracks at
muffler inlet. The Ernst mit der braces is superior.
For some thousands of miles, I ran the cat in line with muffler supported to
engine via 3 Diesel Vanagon Bosal isolators. v 2.0 cat unsupported, v 2.x cat
supported. In both cases, I had issues with cracks at cat outlet.
This could've been due, in part, to reusing the cat; the metal at outlet
was likely already stressed or fatigued. And, that cat was from a Mk3


re: icolquhoun's exhaust.


Different geometry since I run a 15º and I'd guess the Ernst 2.1 WBX
muffler is heavier, but I do see
the support mount near the cat inlet and that should really help stabilize things
and that flex is way longer than what I use. V 3.0 or whatever I'm up to now,
save for a damaged flex bushing (my tail pipe is bent, hangs low), has been
crack free for a while now. I use 4 Bosal isolators (added 1 to brackets nearest
tailpipe) Thanks for sharing the pics guys!

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passenger side bracket. Both sets of brackets have morphed over time; new work to old work

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

I have/had my exhaust similar to yours. I'm going to lay it out different since it was firmly mounted, I had a lot of noise and vibration.

Here's my new manifold though. Way to much volume before
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Soza, has anyone done a chassis dyno run?
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

BOSTIG !
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

No dyno runs! The aba can put down some good numbers, you gotta go over to vortex for that information.

My original recipe would have put me into the poor house quickly. It was a learning experience and a fun lesson.

My son's all motor cis aba in a rabbit just ate the transmission. These engines are stout. Everything around them is the weak link. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Bostig not legal here, yet.
I've looked at many 2.0 dyno graphs.
I've seen a subie 2.2 vs 1.9 DH 0-60 mph test on youtube. The subie was like 20 sec's and the 1.9 was in the thirties.
We, need dyno runs.
Modifying the intake and/or the exhaust vs factory will definitely move the tq curve around
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

If you're in CA, then 1.8t or TDI would be by far the best options in counties that required testing and inspections. I'm really impressed with the latest round of ABA installs, which are the low cost leaders, especially for AC to watercooled conversions.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

dkoesyncro wrote:
I have/had my exhaust similar to yours. I'm going to lay it out different since it was firmly mounted, I had a lot of noise and vibration.

Here's my new manifold though. Way to much volume before
[pic]


This appears to be mounted at 15 degrees? If somebody could come up with a good manifold for a 50 degree mount the ABA would be much more feasible with factory diesel mounts.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Thanks for that pic. At one point I'd considered an SRI type intake.

Do you run a support off block to plenum?

Thanks

edit: and nice "Dukes of Hazard" orange!

Neil.

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Here's my new manifold though. Way to much volume before
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