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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10347 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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regis101 wrote: |
Here in Cali-Land that modified intake wouldn't pass the Visual. Otherwise we'd be all over all kinds of groovy |
I doubt this is a solution of any kind, but the modded intake I've been thinking
of [edit for a 15º swap]
is a Passat intake with an angled section cut out of the middle to position
runners closer together.
Looking at an image of that intake again, this likely wouldn't work; it would
put the outer runners too far in? Might not clear the alternator?
If not, I'd section it, then weld it to a cut ABA lower plenum.
Neil.
_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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I'm thinkin' FAS has something for this. I'll have to browse their site
* Didn't find what I was looking for but did find this. Here's a link to their tranny program. Half way down is a pic of the 50* AGG getting some new gearage. Pic has a guy with a grey Hard Rock shirt
http://www.foreignautosupply.com/engine-and-drive-train-programs/transmissions/ _________________ Peace, Regis |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10347 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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Looks a lot like the Tiico intake.
FAS has a short runner type intake. I'm not at hom right now so no link but they do have a cool picasaweb "beta" album. Totally worth viewing. The Sri type intake I refer to is shown there.
Neil _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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VWinVT Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2013 Posts: 1541 Location: North East Kingdom
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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Vanagon Nut wrote: |
I like that exhaust header type manifold. Engine has older style timing belt
and coolant pump set up. Simpler is better in my books.
I'd suggest that the throttle body would stick up higher than top of ABA/AEG
intake. BUT..... could one install an older Mk2 intake on that puppy?
Much better price than the CBP Jetta long block (2008-2010) Quality German
sells and I'd think the CBP would not be an easy fit.
QG also sells rebuilt ABA engines at $999. Core charge is $200. I have no idea
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I did not know that QG did rebuilds of our motor. Good to know if i ever need it done...it will be many years before that happens i suspect. I bought my 83+ rubber motor mounts from them...great price and VERY fast shipping. _________________ 1981 Westfalia with a 2001 Cabrio ABA
Small wheel turns by the firing rod,
Big wheel turns by the grace of God.
Every time that wheel turns 'round,
You're bound to cover just a little more ground. |
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icolquhoun Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2015 Posts: 92 Location: NJ
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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I've done plenty of intakes with ground welds and sections of factory plenums that visually looked stock, it's not all that hard to do, just requires a LOT of time to get right!
I will post up some exhaust pics in a bit google+ is acting up on me |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10347 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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^^
ya I'm having trouble with picasaweb right now....
Online, I've seen it's possible to set up a MIG for aluminum welding.
I may delve into it someday.
As per someone else suggestion some years ago, I also wonder if a flipped
Mk1 intake would work. Might put TB on wrong end of engine and would require
an adaptor if running the square TB.
edit: on a cross flow like ABA. "flip" would mean cut and weld obviously
maybe using existing ABA lower plenum.
VWinVT: the rebuild option may be a more recent addition to their services?
I don't recall seeing it before.
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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Stephan Schmidt Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2002 Posts: 213 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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icolquhoun wrote: |
I've done plenty of intakes with ground welds and sections of factory plenums that visually looked stock, it's not all that hard to do, just requires a LOT of time to get right!
I will post up some exhaust pics in a bit google+ is acting up on me |
Beautiful swap! I'd love to see / hear more about what you used for the throttle cable, wiring (obd1 or 2?) and see more pictures! Great job! |
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geodude Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2012 Posts: 372 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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If someone would get an intake like that and a descent exhaust manifold approved by CARB in California I think we would see a bunch of these on the road. I loved my 2.0 inline conversion, but moved to CA and it got difficult. _________________ 1988 GL Camper
1991 Multivan — the basket case |
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icolquhoun Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2015 Posts: 92 Location: NJ
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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2.25" SS exhaust:
showing the heat shield:
from the rear (it tucks more than the pic shows):
brackets to hold exhaust:
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VWinVT Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2013 Posts: 1541 Location: North East Kingdom
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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icolquhoun wrote: |
2.25" SS exhaust:
[pic]
showing the heat shield:
[pic]
from the rear (it tucks more than the pic shows):
[pic]
brackets to hold exhaust:
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That's a really nice setup! _________________ 1981 Westfalia with a 2001 Cabrio ABA
Small wheel turns by the firing rod,
Big wheel turns by the grace of God.
Every time that wheel turns 'round,
You're bound to cover just a little more ground. |
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narendra.vw Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2013 Posts: 440 Location: Bangalore India
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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icolquhoun wrote: |
2.25" SS exhaust:
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Yours is very much similar to mine.
seeing your last pic, it seems like you are clamping the silencer to the cross member.
I have kept the unit floating right through. No vibration.
I also suggest to make the unit into two piece. It will avoid cracks
My setup
might help you. |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10347 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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My v 1.x had a Walker Quiet Flow. It was quiet but lacked braces at inlet
and outlet pipes and it rusted pretty quick. Those factors caused cracks at
muffler inlet. The Ernst mit der braces is superior.
For some thousands of miles, I ran the cat in line with muffler supported to
engine via 3 Diesel Vanagon Bosal isolators. v 2.0 cat unsupported, v 2.x cat
supported. In both cases, I had issues with cracks at cat outlet.
This could've been due, in part, to reusing the cat; the metal at outlet
was likely already stressed or fatigued. And, that cat was from a Mk3
re: icolquhoun's exhaust.
Different geometry since I run a 15º and I'd guess the Ernst 2.1 WBX
muffler is heavier, but I do see
the support mount near the cat inlet and that should really help stabilize things
and that flex is way longer than what I use. V 3.0 or whatever I'm up to now,
save for a damaged flex bushing (my tail pipe is bent, hangs low), has been
crack free for a while now. I use 4 Bosal isolators (added 1 to brackets nearest
tailpipe) Thanks for sharing the pics guys!
Neil.
passenger side bracket. Both sets of brackets have morphed over time; new work to old work
_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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dkoesyncro Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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I have/had my exhaust similar to yours. I'm going to lay it out different since it was firmly mounted, I had a lot of noise and vibration.
Here's my new manifold though. Way to much volume before
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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Soza, has anyone done a chassis dyno run? _________________ Peace, Regis |
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sailboat100 Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2013 Posts: 56 Location: denver co
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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BOSTIG ! |
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dkoesyncro Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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No dyno runs! The aba can put down some good numbers, you gotta go over to vortex for that information.
My original recipe would have put me into the poor house quickly. It was a learning experience and a fun lesson.
My son's all motor cis aba in a rabbit just ate the transmission. These engines are stout. Everything around them is the weak link. |
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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Bostig not legal here, yet.
I've looked at many 2.0 dyno graphs.
I've seen a subie 2.2 vs 1.9 DH 0-60 mph test on youtube. The subie was like 20 sec's and the 1.9 was in the thirties.
We, need dyno runs.
Modifying the intake and/or the exhaust vs factory will definitely move the tq curve around _________________ Peace, Regis |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12103 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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If you're in CA, then 1.8t or TDI would be by far the best options in counties that required testing and inspections. I'm really impressed with the latest round of ABA installs, which are the low cost leaders, especially for AC to watercooled conversions. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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Robw_z Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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dkoesyncro wrote: |
I have/had my exhaust similar to yours. I'm going to lay it out different since it was firmly mounted, I had a lot of noise and vibration.
Here's my new manifold though. Way to much volume before
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This appears to be mounted at 15 degrees? If somebody could come up with a good manifold for a 50 degree mount the ABA would be much more feasible with factory diesel mounts.
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10347 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? |
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Thanks for that pic. At one point I'd considered an SRI type intake.
Do you run a support off block to plenum?
Thanks
edit: and nice "Dukes of Hazard" orange!
Neil.
dkoesyncro wrote: |
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Here's my new manifold though. Way to much volume before
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_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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