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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The late model Vw fox 1990-1992 had a very small intake manifold.
It was also running the digifant II fuel system. I never had a chance
to try this intake, but if there was any intake that for fit in to the vanagon
I felt this would be the one.



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Can't you use the intake manifold from a Mk1 Cabriolet to avoid clearancing the frame rail? From memory, it flips the throttle body placement 180 degrees


Indeed you can. I was toying around with cutting the throttle body flange off the end and swapping it to the other side on an old Scirocco intake I had kicking around. I can't weld aluminum at home but I was going to take it to work and give it a shot. The CIS intake is quite a bit shorter than the Digifant 2 manifold that comes stock on the 91 Jetta. Maybe a CIS intake from a GTI would work? The Digifant manifold has longer runners and a more pronounced curve to them. The mating flange is also on a different angle. If I had a spare I would change the angle of the mating surface a few degrees to tilt the manifold away from the body.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The VW Fox Intake manifolds were all very similiar. The CIS and EFI ones were as good flowing as the G60 Corrado, which was the best design from the passenger side intake version, vs. A2 2version.

Doesn't make a big difference but both versions allow for the bigger thrott body.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Quick question for all you I4 types. My 91 bus (late diesel components, ABA at 50 degrees) is still at the shop getting an exhaust welded, so I can't take pics at the moment. However, looking under the engine, there is a decent-sized opening on the bottom left through which I can see part of the flywheel. I see that Foreign Auto Supply sells a dust cover, which I suspect only fits their adapter. It seems like it would let in an incredible amount of dust, though I know that isn't sealed normally.

What has everyone else been doing? I can't even find mention of this in the archives.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

On stock diesel vans there is a sheet metal cover that is screwed to the block before the flywheel goes on. This piece covers that opening. Other VWs used a different one, this is the correct T3 one.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Is that the same piece, wasserboxer or diesel? Or is there a diesel specific one?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

It is 4 cyl diesel/inline gas only. The wbx engine doesn't need one.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

crazyvwvanman wrote:
On stock diesel vans there is a sheet metal cover that is screwed to the block before the flywheel goes on. This piece covers that opening. Other VWs used a different one, this is the correct T3 one.

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Hmmmm..... everyone else running one of these? Any sources for one?

Edit: flywheel cover plate 068103551. If Bus Depot is correct, it appears that it may not be Vanagon specific, but that it may be diesel specific. I'm still looking for a source, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

it's purpose is to keep any rear main seal leak from getting on the clutch.
and (IIRC) the diesel at 50* is orientated differently than the golf/jetta at 15*
but they may be the same one and only part.. I'd have to dig in my shed to see if I still have a diesel van original to compare to a golf/jetta/rabbit plate.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

As I mentioned, the T3 shield is different than the others.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Any love for the 2.0 AGG?
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

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Any love for the 2.0 AGG?


Me, come back by the garage and see the one that Detlev is doing now. Sorry I missed you today. Look up there you where, looked again and poof you where gone.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Torque curve is interesting as it pertains to my stye of driving. Aftermarket cams and chips are available. It seems to have a decent cast iron exhaust header.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

This ADY might not fit under the decklid with the existing intake but damn complete new engine for the price!:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-VW-Genuine-Golf-Pa...SwZJlXMkln

Will fit AGG they say.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

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No can do. Yinz might put me to work with all these mad skills in the quiver.
Being Ninja is one of them. poof
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

mellowslow wrote:
This ADY might not fit under the decklid with the existing intake but damn complete new engine for the price!:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-VW-Genuine-Golf-Pa...SwZJlXMkln

Will fit AGG they say.


I like that exhaust header type manifold. Engine has older style timing belt
and coolant pump set up. Simpler is better in my books.
I'd suggest that the throttle body would stick up higher than top of ABA/AEG
intake. BUT..... could one install an older Mk2 intake on that puppy?
Much better price than the CBP Jetta long block (2008-2010) Quality German
sells and I'd think the CBP would not be an easy fit.
QG also sells rebuilt ABA engines at $999. Core charge is $200. I have no idea
what the quality is though.
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Some info here. Half way down is a graph of an ABF and AGG. whathe?

http://www.clubgti.com/showthread.php?237392-Valid...dded/page2

The AGG has the log style intake non cross flow on the port side and not the over the valve cover type like ABA cross flow

Intake pic.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

My vote is ABA
cheap as anything
parts can be had anywhere super inexpensively but you'll probably not need to replace anything for a VERY long time.

Here's the swap I just completed into my personal van, started as an '82 aircooled. Fits below unmodded decklid and has 10.5" of ground clearance from ground to bottom of oilpan

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2.0 ABA swap complete...82 aircooled vanagon westy
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Fully rebuilt 091
Full 2.25" stainless exhaust with magnaflow cat and xl3 muffler using BEV manifold
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Daymn...that's a clean install! Nice use of the stock airbox
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Thank you very much for posting that pic and info.
I've long been thinking of delving into aluminum welding and making an intake similar to that or adapting an existing intake for same.
Nice fuel hose routing!
And you made good use of Jetta parts like the metal "T" pipe by coolant bottle
I too found that part useful.
If you had pics of the exhaust to share I'm sure that would be appreciated.
I know I"d like to see them.

Neil.


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My vote is ABA
cheap as anything
parts can be had anywhere super inexpensively but you'll probably not need to replace anything for a VERY long time.

Here's the swap I just completed into my personal van, started as an '82 aircooled. Fits below unmodded decklid and has 10.5" of ground clearance from ground to bottom of oilpan

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Inline-4 conversion: What engine? Reply with quote

Here in Cali-Land that modified intake wouldn't pass the Visual. Otherwise we'd be all over all kinds of groovy
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