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Dubdealer
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| is it better to have a j or jk? is it a difference height on the bead or just shape. |
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mrjobe
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| Lemmerz aka Crowsfoot wheels are backspaced 1/4" more than KPZ and the slot appears larger. Good wheels for those running a 2" narrowed front beam. Clears the step in the inner dogleg better. |
I have 3 crowsfoot and one none crowsfoot 15" rims that I am going to have to run, will this create any tracking or handling problems considering the 1/4 more offset on the one side? |
The statement of the extra offset on crow's foot wheels is a myth. Measure yours for yourself and you will see that there is no more than 1/16" difference in offset between the wheel types. |
Id like to know if this is verified correct. i would love a extra 1/2" wheel tuck up front just by bolting some crows on.
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As seen below, this was confirmed as not being true (the offset is not 1/4"):
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| Lemmerz aka Crowsfoot wheels are backspaced 1/4" more than KPZ and the slot appears larger. Good wheels for those running a 2" narrowed front beam. Clears the step in the inner dogleg better. |
I recently measured one of each and found a difference of only 1/16". I don't recall what the date stamps were, maybe there was an early/late production difference. I will check tomorrow.
OK, I did some measuring. A 5/59 crowsfoot I have measures 4 1/2" plus from the surface where it mounts against the drum to the very outer edge of the wheel lip. A 4/60 non-crowsfoot measures 4 11/16". So the difference is barely over 1/8". I also measured a 5/63 non-crowsfoot and it was the same as the 4/60. I did not have easy access to another crowsfoot with a different date. |
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mrjobe
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:00 am Post subject: |
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As seen below, this was confirmed as not being true (the offset is not 1/4"):
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| Lemmerz aka Crowsfoot wheels are backspaced 1/4" more than KPZ and the slot appears larger. Good wheels for those running a 2" narrowed front beam. Clears the step in the inner dogleg better. |
I recently measured one of each and found a difference of only 1/16". I don't recall what the date stamps were, maybe there was an early/late production difference. I will check tomorrow.
OK, I did some measuring. A 5/59 crowsfoot I have measures 4 1/2" plus from the surface where it mounts against the drum to the very outer edge of the wheel lip. A 4/60 non-crowsfoot measures 4 11/16". So the difference is barely over 1/8". I also measured a 5/63 non-crowsfoot and it was the same as the 4/60. I did not have easy access to another crowsfoot with a different date. |
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from my understanding only 5/59 and 5/63 were compared?
Im not defending the 1/4" statment, im just not sure that comparing just two wheels rules out the offset as a myth.
where does the 1/4" claim come from in the first place?
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61TXghia
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What is the purpose of the crows feet rims, are they stronger and able to support more weight?
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mrjobe
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| What is the purpose of the crows feet rims, are they stronger and able to support more weight? |
cause they have cool looking stamps that are never exposed unless you are changing a flat. 
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cdennisg
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As seen below, this was confirmed as not being true (the offset is not 1/4"):
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| Lemmerz aka Crowsfoot wheels are backspaced 1/4" more than KPZ and the slot appears larger. Good wheels for those running a 2" narrowed front beam. Clears the step in the inner dogleg better. |
I recently measured one of each and found a difference of only 1/16". I don't recall what the date stamps were, maybe there was an early/late production difference. I will check tomorrow.
OK, I did some measuring. A 5/59 crowsfoot I have measures 4 1/2" plus from the surface where it mounts against the drum to the very outer edge of the wheel lip. A 4/60 non-crowsfoot measures 4 11/16". So the difference is barely over 1/8". I also measured a 5/63 non-crowsfoot and it was the same as the 4/60. I did not have easy access to another crowsfoot with a different date. |
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from my understanding only 5/59 and 5/63 were compared?
Im not defending the 1/4" statment, im just not sure that comparing just two wheels rules out the offset as a myth.
where does the 1/4" claim come from in the first place? |
I have since checked several others and never had more than a fat 1/16" deviation.
Not sure where the myth started.
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cdennisg
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| What is the purpose of the crows feet rims, are they stronger and able to support more weight? |
cause they have cool looking stamps that are never exposed unless you are changing a flat. |
They do look better when running without hubcaps, though. 
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mrjobe
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| mrjobe wrote: |
| srfndoc wrote: |
As seen below, this was confirmed as not being true (the offset is not 1/4"):
| cdennisg wrote: |
| NAES wrote: |
| Lemmerz aka Crowsfoot wheels are backspaced 1/4" more than KPZ and the slot appears larger. Good wheels for those running a 2" narrowed front beam. Clears the step in the inner dogleg better. |
I recently measured one of each and found a difference of only 1/16". I don't recall what the date stamps were, maybe there was an early/late production difference. I will check tomorrow.
OK, I did some measuring. A 5/59 crowsfoot I have measures 4 1/2" plus from the surface where it mounts against the drum to the very outer edge of the wheel lip. A 4/60 non-crowsfoot measures 4 11/16". So the difference is barely over 1/8". I also measured a 5/63 non-crowsfoot and it was the same as the 4/60. I did not have easy access to another crowsfoot with a different date. |
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from my understanding only 5/59 and 5/63 were compared?
Im not defending the 1/4" statment, im just not sure that comparing just two wheels rules out the offset as a myth.
where does the 1/4" claim come from in the first place? |
I have since checked several others and never had more than a fat 1/16" deviation.
Not sure where the myth started. |
ah, Thats cool that you took the time to check others. does the 1/16" seem pretty consistant? or is that just the most offset you have noted?
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cdennisg
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It has varied from zero to a little over 1/16".
I just got a few more recently. I'll check them and post back here with dates and figures.
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| I'm not familiar with the T but J and JK are types of tire beads. |
The T stamp indicates tubeless tires. You can also tell this style rim by the flat area stamping around the valve stem area (at least on Beetle rims).
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panelant
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I've been searching around trying to find differences in wheel hubs. Any pics around that show differences by years on the shapes of the cones or spirals impressed into them?
I have a '60 panel and my 5-spoke empis won't sit fully on the front hubs due to the large flaring cone. (Think the po had some bug wheels from a baja on there?). |
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BulletBus
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Is there a difference in the Bus 16 inch wheels and the Beetle ones? I have some extras that I was going to sell and someone told me to make sure they were bus and not beetle. Not sure on that one. Two have dimples at the valve stem.
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panelant
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| Dimples were talked about earlier in this post but not as a diff between bug and bus. I've heard about valve stem placement making a diff though. Something like stem between lug nut holes = bus. Stems lined up with a lug nut hole = bug. |
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Lind
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| Is there a difference in the Bus 16 inch wheels and the Beetle ones? I have some extras that I was going to sell and someone told me to make sure they were bus and not beetle. Not sure on that one. Two have dimples at the valve stem. |
put a straight edge across the rim. if it touches only the center part of the rim, it is bus. if it touches only the outer rim, then it is beetle.
beetle rims are 3" wide, bus rims are 3.5" wide.
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cdennisg
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Lind, any truth to the lug hole/air valve location theory?
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RustyPan
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I have a feeling these might be bug but aside from measuring the wheel, is there a way of telling what these might be to??
thanks.
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cdennisg
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^^^ those are both bus 15's.
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BulletBus
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Thanks Lind!
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