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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

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Barndoor Buses, 1950 through February, 1955 used 16" wheels, size 16x3.50.
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Beginning March 1, 1955, chassis # 20-117902, VW Buses used a slotted 15" wheel, size 15x4.50.
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Original wheel diameter/width and bias ply tire sizes:
16" wheels - 16"x3.50" - 5.50x16 tires
15" wheels - 15"x4.50" - 6.40x15 tires


Quick question. I received the birth certificate and data sheet for my '56 single cab (built 8 October 1956) this morning. It declares the rim and tyre sizes as 3,50 x 16 and 5,50 x 16 respectively.

Is that likely just a mistake (Germans?, mistakes? Shocked ), or did VW ship any trucks with larger rims after the barndoor era ended?

I've assumed that the 8/56 15 inch crowsfoot rims on my truck were original, given their date.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

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Barndoor Buses, 1950 through February, 1955 used 16" wheels, size 16x3.50.
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Beginning March 1, 1955, chassis # 20-117902, VW Buses used a slotted 15" wheel, size 15x4.50.
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Original wheel diameter/width and bias ply tire sizes:
16" wheels - 16"x3.50" - 5.50x16 tires
15" wheels - 15"x4.50" - 6.40x15 tires


Quick question. I received the birth certificate and data sheet for my '56 single cab (built 8 October 1956) this morning. It declares the rim and tyre sizes as 3,50 x 16 and 5,50 x 16 respectively.

Is that likely just a mistake (Germans?, mistakes? Shocked ), or did VW ship any trucks with larger rims after the barndoor era ended?

I've assumed that the 8/56 15 inch crowsfoot rims on my truck were original, given their date.


They made a mistake.
They are known to make mistakes from time to time.

The birth certificates I have seen don't list the tire/wheel size. Is that a new addition?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

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They made a mistake.
They are known to make mistakes from time to time.

The birth certificates I have seen don't list the tire/wheel size. Is that a new addition?


Given that it took them nine and a half months to supply the information, you'd think they'd have had time to double-check. Smile

The information is on the data sheet, not the birth certificate (I bought both). It lists the general weights and measures info that you can find on the technical pages here, but I thought I'd check as it states some vehicle-specific info, like build and shipping dates and is stated as relating to the VIN.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: bus 15x 4.00 ... I have one spare rim for what year bus? Reply with quote

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Does anyone know what year the 15 x 4.00 fit on. Was it all the years spare rim. or only a certain year. I heard it is a spare tire size to fit behind the seat.

And yes there is such a thing. 15x 4.00.

I aquired one for a spare tire behind my seat of the SO23 but I dont know what it was really suppose to fit.


Any info.

Thanks MIke


I have never heard of a spare only rim for busses...aren't 15x4s a Thing wheel?


Defintely not thing they were smoothies? this is a 15 inch slotted 4 inch wide. I heard it is a spare for a 64 but would like to confirm. Looks just like my other bus wheels but little narrower.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:50 pm    Post subject: pics Reply with quote

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look closely at the center area it is flatter.

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look how narrow
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next to a crows foot

Yes its a bus wheel.... I dont think they put these on anything else. What does it fit?

Look very closely at the picture of the wheel next to the crows foot. The center area is flatter. The regular bus 15s have a higher lip next to the hubcap. This might be the only one left in existence so look closely.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one of these wheels was posted a few pages back, or possibly in another wheel thread. I believe the consensus was that it is a German type 181 (Thing) wheel. The German Thing used swing axles and RGB's like an early bus.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a bus wheel as the valve stem hole does not line up with a lug nut hole.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

Hello everyone
While looking for 15" wheels for my bus, I was offered these.
They are slotted, they are 15" but there are not bus wheels.
No hub caps holders.
The owner is looking for the date but didn't find any so far.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:49 am    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

Type 3 wheels.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

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Type 3 wheels.


Yep, 61-63 Type 3 wheels.
Confirmed by someone with a '63 Type 3. (Me)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

I was doing research on using wide 5 wheels and long story short I am on the hunt for these. This is the only photo I have seen of the wheel. What year bus did this come off of and is there any other name for this particular wheel? From what I found on earlybay.com it was a Kronprinz KPZ rim but I don't quite know how that helps me.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

Looks like 64+ 14" wheels.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

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Looks like 64+ 14" wheels.


The wheel on the left is certainly a 64+ bus wheel, but the wheel on the right is ever so slightly different and I am having a very tough time finding any. My collection of wheels that the PO gave me are all like the wheel on the left. Everyone in my local VW club down here that I asked has the wheel on the left. People advertising their wheels on this forum have the wheel on the left. I have yet to find the one on the right.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

I see the position of where the inner hoop is attached is different.

Could it be a Thing wheel? I believe those have a different offset, which may explain why they are attached in different places.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

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I see the position of where the inner hoop is attached is different.

Could it be a Thing wheel? I believe those have a different offset, which may explain why they are attached in different places.


I did not spot the offset difference.

Thing wheels are solid. Maybe some are slotted?
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Is there a date stamp on the wheel?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

The drop center section of the wheel on the left is wider than the one on the right. I took a quick look at a stack of 14" bus rims out back and found one like that. It has some different markings on the face than the normal stuff. Date is from 69. I will pull it in the shop for a photo tonight.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

OK, here are a few comparison shots of a regular 14" bus wheel, and the oddball in my pile. The oddball is on the right in the photos.

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Notice the difference in the drop center section of the wheel outer hoop.

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Yes, I know these are both bay window wheels, but the only split bus wheel I had easy access to had a filthy tire mounted and I didn't fell like dragging it into the shop right now. I will check a few other rims when it is daylight, and when it is not pissing down rain. Might be awhile.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

It's probably not anything cosmic other than the one style can be welded with a different offset depending on application and the strange one is for a fixed offset and may be stronger.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

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It's probably not anything cosmic other than the one style can be welded with a different offset depending on application and the strange one is for a fixed offset and may be stronger.


I am sure it just has to do with varying production. Just wanted to confirm with beatles4 that seeing is believing.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Bus wheels - 14"/15"/16" Reply with quote

Another thing that was happening about that time was safety rim mandates. If the tire blew and you drove on it, it would only come off on the inner side.
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