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cris torlasco Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2000 Posts: 1363 Location: Delmar, NY/Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: Ambulance Barndoor? |
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This vehicle was recently found in Argentina. It is supposed to be a 1951/52 barndoor ambulance (is there such a thing?). Owner mentions a 2-27 code, which according to him means ambulance (outfitted by Miessen). He also mentions the gas tank being to the left of the rear hatch, INSIDE the cargo area (!). That is all you need, to be picked by an ambulance because you are sick and be smelling gas fumes all the way to the hospital!
Obviosuly, there are other non original aspects (such as the venting of the engine bay), but any information on the little information provided would be appreciated.
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Enkiel Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2004 Posts: 2771 Location: Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: |
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little small the door for a BD, no? _________________ 1964 Turkis Flipseat |
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SHSC Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2001 Posts: 1785 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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enkiel wrote: |
little small the door for a BD, no? |
Back to the books. You really need to be a little more informed before commenting on this sort of stuff. _________________ DKB |
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NorCalWeekender Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2000 Posts: 6531 Location: East Bay, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Wow, for once I agree with SHSC. Barndoor Ambos needed a rear hatch for getting the patient in and out. So a small engine lid was needed. Also, what's up with those louvers? Very 80s.
-Taylor _________________ 9th Owner of a 1971 Tintop Westy
"Eventually, we sold to a guy for $500 who towed it away to live in it in his parents' driveway. We didn't think it would ever avoid the junk heap on that day." -The 3rd Owner, 1995 |
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Clara Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2003 Posts: 12383
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:08 am Post subject: |
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the piano hinge large rear hatch and small engine lid are what I have seen on BD ambos. does it also have the small top roof air scoop (NOT Behr) up front? I have seen them have fuel fillers on the right like non bds... do you have a VIN?
type 27 is ambulance
where's the brake light and taill lights? _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19670 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Nice waste of a '58 decklid. _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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Enkiel Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2004 Posts: 2771 Location: Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:15 am Post subject: |
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NorCalRiviera wrote: |
Wow, for once I agree with SHSC. Barndoor Ambos needed a rear hatch for getting the patient in and out. So a small engine lid was needed. Also, what's up with those louvers? Very 80s.
-Taylor |
that does makes sense..
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enkiel wrote: |
little small the door for a BD, no? |
Back to the books. You really need to be a little more informed before commenting on this sort of stuff. |
and go to hell, kthxbye _________________ 1964 Turkis Flipseat |
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SHSC Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2001 Posts: 1785 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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crofty wrote: |
Nice waste of a '58 decklid. |
58's didn't have piano hinge.
And I think that decklids for BD trucks and ambulances were made from cut down treasure chest doors from the trucks. But I could be wrong about that. _________________ DKB |
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volksfahrer.nl Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2003 Posts: 2128 Location: Delft Holland
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19670 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:58 am Post subject: |
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SHSC wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
Nice waste of a '58 decklid. |
58's didn't have piano hinge.
And I think that decklids for BD trucks and ambulances were made from cut down treasure chest doors from the trucks. But I could be wrong about that. |
No kidding, but wouldn't a BD decklid have a brakelight? _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10192 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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SHSC wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
Nice waste of a '58 decklid. |
58's didn't have piano hinge.
And I think that decklids for BD trucks and ambulances were made from cut down treasure chest doors from the trucks. But I could be wrong about that. |
Decklids for barndoor trucks were made from cut down singlecab side doors.
The barndoor ambulance decklids were made from cut down barndoor decklids.
The rear apron is also special as well.
Here are a few more photos;
You can see that the VW coachwork on this model was pretty crude and that most of the special panels were handformed.
This particular bus is a '52 and I believe the VIN was around 24,000.
Here is a shot of the gas filler door;
It uses a barndoor ignition tumbler and key to lock it shut. |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10192 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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crofty wrote: |
SHSC wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
Nice waste of a '58 decklid. |
58's didn't have piano hinge.
And I think that decklids for BD trucks and ambulances were made from cut down treasure chest doors from the trucks. But I could be wrong about that. |
Wouldn't a BD decklid have a brakelight? |
A.F.A.I.K., Yes. Maybe it was filled or maybe the decklid was changed but the hinge retained? |
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19670 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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campingbox wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
SHSC wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
Nice waste of a '58 decklid. |
58's didn't have piano hinge.
And I think that decklids for BD trucks and ambulances were made from cut down treasure chest doors from the trucks. But I could be wrong about that. |
Wouldn't a BD decklid have a brakelight? |
A.F.A.I.K., Yes. Maybe it was filled or maybe the decklid was changed but the hinge retained? |
I thought they all had 'em too. If so, they did a pretty good job filling it in. It looks pretty smooth. The piano hinge on the decklid looks a lot different than the rear hatch one.
I'll take a run out to the yard and take a look at mine and let you all know. LOL _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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cris torlasco Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2000 Posts: 1363 Location: Delmar, NY/Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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That's great information, thanks guys. Please keep it coming if you know more. I'll post more photos and a vin if I ever get them. Adios, |
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5927 Location: back to living where hell meets the suface
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Any pics of Ellis's aka rustyvanbondo's barncampoulater around _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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crofty Judas of the North
Joined: August 09, 2000 Posts: 19670 Location: Land of Whine and Phonies
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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SHSC wrote: |
crofty wrote: |
Nice waste of a '58 decklid. |
58's didn't have piano hinge.
And I think that decklids for BD trucks and ambulances were made from cut down treasure chest doors from the trucks. But I could be wrong about that. |
Well, it looks like it is a BD deck lid. I didn't notice the stamps going all the way to the bottom edge. Strange that they filled in the brake light though, but then again they did louver the hell out of it. _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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ronnie Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2002 Posts: 1053 Location: lost somewhere between the earth and my home.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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i thought the miesen built amublances kept the barn door engine lid? _________________ I'd rather be a free man in my grave, than living as a puppet or a slave.
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Scotty Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 1525 Location: Northampton - Uk
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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ronnie wrote: |
i thought the miesen built amublances kept the barn door engine lid? |
Notice how the recess on a barndoor ambulance engine lid goes all the way to the bottom edge, where as a 55-(early) 58 lid the recess stops short of the bottom? They cut down the og lid as the guys above said. _________________
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Bill-E-BoB Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2004 Posts: 642 Location: Woodstock, GA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Its now time for me to ask one of those dumb questions that gets you lynched...but what the heck, right? Barndoors are so named because of the big ol' barndoor lookin' engine lid on 'em, right? So, if the SC's & ambulances have a little engine lid why are they still considered barndoors? I understand the bus in question is from a BD year, but that seems a little bit like saying my bus is a 21 window just because its a deluxe and 21 windows are deluxes too. Bottom line, yes its a '66 deluxe and yes there are '66 deluxes with 21 windows, but mine only has 13 windows so nobody is gunna call it a 21 window. If a 52 ambulance doesn't have a barndoor engine lid even though it was produced in a 'barndoor' year, why's it still called a barndoor? Maybe a better example of my confusion would be the brazilian splits made in '72...even though 72 is a year that bay windows were produced, a brazilian one doesn't have a bay window, so its not called a bay...right?
I'm not tryin' to ruffle feathers here, & I hope the barndoor mafia doesn't put a hit out on me or anything, I'm just out on a quest for knowledge. Like many of you, (don't deny it) before I started learnin' about busses & long before I owned one, I thought "barndoor" referred to the hinged cargo doors on a split as opposed to the sliders on a bay. The logic behind a barndoor bus without a barndoor is my next step in the great quest. |
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