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jmf337 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:00 am Post subject: Military 181 Shielded Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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Going through this system, everything looks very usable still. If anyone could give some help on wiring schematics or pictures of them wired up will be quite helpful. I have been doing a lot of searches with little success, so I have taken a lot of pics documenting part numbers and components. Any help of info you have on these systems would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance!
Distributor Part # ZV/JAM 4R3
Distributor Part # ZV/JAM 4R3
Distributor Part # ZV/JAM 4R3
Notice the nail head connectors!
Distributor Cap Part # ZVS75211
Distributor Rotor Part # ZVT53Z10
Coil Part # ZS/KAM 12/1 (part #2 in Diagram)
Coil Part # ZS/KAM 12/1 (part #2 in Diagram)
Coil Part # ZS/KAM 12/1(part #2 in Diagram)
Part # EM/SE 6/2 (part #3 in Diagram)
Part # EM/SE 6/2 (part #3 in Diagram)
Part # ZWJ11/12
Part # ZWJ11/12
Spark Plug Connector Part # 0 356 300003 52 (part #19A in Diagram)
Spark Plug Connector Part # 0 356 300003 52 (part #19A in Diagram)
Spark Plug Connector Part # 0 356 300003 52 (part #19A and #17 in Diagram)
Spark Plug Connector Seal Part # 122 905 449 A (part #21 in Diagram)
Spark Plug Connector Seal Part # 122 905 449 A (part #21 in Diagram)
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mondshine Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:44 am Post subject: Re: Military 181 Watertight Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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Interesting!
That distributor looks like it has centrifugal advance only.
The points resemble the old 36 HP "dogleg" style points
It makes me wonder what carburetor was originally installed on the military models.
Are the cylinder heads single port? |
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jmf337 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Military 181 Watertight Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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mondshine wrote: |
Are the cylinder heads single port? |
Yes it is, 1500cc single port motor. And from my research, a 30 PICT 2 carb would have been used. |
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Semper_Dad Samba Member
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tallman206 Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2006 Posts: 316 Location: St.Petersburg Florida USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Military 181 Watertight Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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I think I have to disagree.
Nice pictures, but that is not a 'watertight' ignition system. (Notice there are no gaskets or o-rings). It is an RFI shielded ignition system to reduce radio frequency interference in military high frequency and low frequency two-way communications systems. The earlier Type 181s were used by military organizations (like NATO) as radio cars. You can find examples if pictures on the Internet with the radio sets mounted in the back seat area. If I recall, the vehicle was not 24V, but it may have been equipped with a second 24V generator just for the radio sets. All generators and voltage regulators were also heavily shielded and included many filter capacitors (condensers) on most electrical leads, and metal boxed shielded electrical connections. _________________ Jerry Henning
Southern Classic Works
St.Petersburg, Florida
1973 VW Type 181 with 616/33-6 powerplant
1962 356B-T6 Cabriolet Rustbucket |
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jmf337 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Military 181 Watertight Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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Semper_Dad wrote: |
Aren't the Military versions 24V? |
Mine seems to be 12 volt.
@tallman206 Thank you for the clarification. It does seem like many of the connections are watertight though. All of the spark plug & distributor connections have rubber compression fittings. It may not be submersible, but definitely keeps moisture out. |
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Joe 20 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Military 181 Shielded Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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All Military 181's were not 24V. Some, especially radio cars and those equipped with other power hungry equipment were to handle the extra draw. I would agree that that is not a watertight setup. I do wonder if there was such a thing for 181's. I would think the exhaust would be a problem for one thing. I'll have to do some research. |
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el_safari Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Military 181 Watertight Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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tallman206 wrote: |
I think I have to disagree.
Nice pictures, but that is not a 'watertight' ignition system. (Notice there are no gaskets or o-rings). It is an RFI shielded ignition system to reduce radio frequency interference in military high frequency and low frequency two-way communications systems. The earlier Type 181s were used by military organizations (like NATO) as radio cars. You can find examples if pictures on the Internet with the radio sets mounted in the back seat area. If I recall, the vehicle was not 24V, but it may have been equipped with a second 24V generator just for the radio sets. All generators and voltage regulators were also heavily shielded and included many filter capacitors (condensers) on most electrical leads, and metal boxed shielded electrical connections. |
Hello
Yes, there is a second 24V generetor for the radio _________________ La terre n'est qu'un seul pays |
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jmf337 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Military 181 Watertight Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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tallman206 wrote: |
I think I have to disagree.
Nice pictures, but that is not a 'watertight' ignition system. |
I just got my birth cirtificate back from Volkswagen, and they consider it watertight.
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germanbilly Samba Member
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perello Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Military 181 Shielded Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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my NATO Thing came with that setup.
not really difficult to set it up..just found some specifics
- the coil is usually a red one. no inner resistance.
- didnt find a way to replace capacitor...
you can throw out the filters, and use non shielded plug cable. and yes..seems you are missing a rubber ring _________________ Aug '58 pressed bumper SO23
1974 German Thing
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Frederik Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Military 181 Shielded Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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Didn't know where to post this. Military shielded lot I've got. Don't know if it all fits vw and 181. But of you recognize anything please tell.
Shielded 12v regulator
Shielded wire (for regulator? Ignition?)
Scintilla Magneto, shielded cast aluminium cap cover
Shielded distributor cap covers
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Frederik Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Military 181 Shielded Ignition System (Lots of Pics) |
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I don't think the previous 181 system would be considered fully watertight for military spec. They are probably more water resistant than normal ignition but their main purpose would be radio shielding. Some parts are both waterproof and shielded sutch as cool and wires but a waterproof distributor would have had a o-ringed shielded cap cover and the fully waterproofed spark plugs looks something like this:
Edit: sorry I'll take that back, you're just missing the o-ring
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