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mikedubayoo Samba Member
Joined: July 23, 2016 Posts: 1 Location: san jose, California
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:36 pm Post subject: Best way to install a kill switch |
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What's up peeps. I just wanted to ask if anyone has installed a kill switch somewhere in the interior of they're vw.
I have a 64 vert and I am always worried someone is gonna steal it. It's an appealing ride. I was thinking of putting something under the seat. Maybe something that can switch off and be removed. Like a key. Any ideas?
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flyboy161 Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2009 Posts: 2091 Location: Perry, GA
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7023 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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flyboy161 wrote: |
Put a fuse inline on the coil wire. Remove the fuse when you park. Car no start. |
And even with the fuse removed and in your pocket, I could still have your car started in less than two minutes.
A more effective method would be to install a keyed battery cutoff switch, preferably in addition to a rather tamper-resistant battery box. Other ideas would be a good steering lock, gear shift lock, or keep a large dog in the back seat.
In the long run, if somebody really wants to steal your car, there's really not much of anything short of denying them access to the vehicle that will prevent them from taking it. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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panicman Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2011 Posts: 2290 Location: Canby, OR
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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Any switch or simple by-pass for fuel or electric can be quickly circumvented by a talented and knowledgable thief.
It seems like keeping the vehicle secured in a structure is the surest bet. Second to that are the mechanical, more obvious means of locking the steering wheel, gear shift, wheels, or pedals. _________________ Plate of shrimp |
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Bug-nut Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2015 Posts: 488 Location: Knoxville, TN
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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If I'm parked somewhere I'm worried about thieves (almost everywhere, actually) I just discreetly pop off the distributor cap and take the rotor out and put it in my pocket. It would be pretty hard to steal the car then unless the thief is very very smart and has a well stocked auto parts store nearby. (Or a VW tow bar, which would actually work for him very well! ) But then I imagine he would steal my snowflake tail lights and smash my windows in revenge or something... _________________ 1959 Fjord Blue Volkswagen Beetle
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Old n' slow Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2012 Posts: 619 Location: Western Maryland
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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I've always though one of the best methods was a fuel shut off somewhere in the passenger compartment. The thief can steal the car but only drive so far before it runs out of gas. The idea is that no thief will now have the nerve to start working on the car in plain view.
The problem as I see it, cutting into the tunnel and hiding the switch would be no easy task. ( electric pump with a hidden kill switch would accomplish the same thing ) _________________ Currently own : 1969 Beetle w/ 1600cc, Single Port, Solex 30 PICT 2, Dist. 113 905 205 T, stock exhaust.
All my daily drivers gone but not forgotten;
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76907 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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Take the rotor. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11055 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:44 am Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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If a thief wants your car... its as good as gone.. rollback or a chain and another car and done..
Theft deterrent is the first option.. simply make them move on..
Blinking security light, shift lock, steering lock, deck lock, etc..
Pulling the rotor is cheap.. and works fine.
Below is a link to some some good battery disconnect options.
Even a few that are remote and electronic. Some even have a remote to control it.
https://www.ronfrancis.com/products.asp?dept=301
If we start to get into how we disable our cars.. the thieves trolling these forums will gain additional valuable information..
"Nawmsayin".. ..
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Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76907 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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Doesn't that scratch up the steering wheel? _________________ Glenn
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catahoula lou Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2008 Posts: 594 Location: south of Silver Springs, NV
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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In all my air-cooled VWs, I use the following three things:
1) Hella battery shut-off switch installed on battery/starter loop, using removable red key, usually somewhere hidden behind the rear seat on driver's side.
2) Coil shut-off toggle switch, located within driver's reach.
3) Small, keyed Master lock installed on E-brake ratchet mechanism. Pull E-handle up and you'll see an arc-shaped slot beneath it that will accept the lock. With properly adjusted brakes, should be able to barely get lock into slot beneath handle. Make sure you use two nuts on the ends of the E-brake cables as lock nuts. If you're not particular about the E-brake boot, you'll be OK with this one.
Remember, you're using the "lazy factor" of most thieves (they're too lazy to earn their keep) to drive them away or slow them down from stealing your car, but a determined thief can literally steal anything...
Best,
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1 1958 pantina red Lowlight Ghia (the "Chili Pepper")
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Mos6502 Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2015 Posts: 725
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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A determined thief with the right resources can steal any car. But most thieves are stupid and lazy and will give up if jamming a screwdriver into the ignition lock doesn't get them what they want.
"The Club" is not very good deterrent on a modern car with a steering wheel made out of stale cheese that can be sawed through in about 3 seconds, but it's a little better on an old car with hard, solid steering wheel (although I doubt a thief would realize this before trying to cut it, because lack of functioning brain matter).
Taking the rotor would frustrate and stop most thieves. An ignition kill switch might deter the laziest and most clueless thief, but anyone with knowledge of how cars work would probably bypass it, assuming they brought along some wire of their own. An electric fuel pump with its own switch would be a little more confusing still, particularly if the thief makes it a block or two before running out of gas. They'd have to have a lot of nerve to keep tinkering then. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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Mos6502 wrote: |
An electric fuel pump with its own switch would be a little more confusing still, particularly if the thief makes it a block or two before running out of gas. They'd have to have a lot of nerve to keep tinkering then. |
For this reason I have advocated an electric solenoid hidden in the fuel line under the car, and a hidden switch. The car will run, but only until the carb bowl (and post-solenoid fuel line) drain, then it will sputter to a stop.
Most thieves want to hightail it as soon as they get it started, so the point they run out of gas is likely to be out in the open on a main road or at least where there are others present. Now they are exposed to a passing good Samaritan or even a cop. They do not want this attention! They will likely dump the car and run. Now you just have to check a 1-2 mile circle from where you left your car, but you will find it.
Of course, a flatbed defeats any of these tricks, so it's not perfect. If you are that worried, a cell-phone linked alert device will tell you when it's moving and you are not nearby, and track it as it's driven.
Even this can be defeated by a car carrier with metal walls, but this kind of resource is not commonly used for our cars! |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
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Digger89L Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 1130 Location: Western Canada (SK)
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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How about just installing a bad battery?? Recently watched a Jay Leno's Garage episode where he and a 'not familiar to me and IMO not-very-funny' comedian took the comedian's restored 21-window bus for a test drive through what might be termed a 'sketchy' neighborhood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEC7jTF47EM). They stopped for some fast-food with never a mention of the likelihood that the bus might not be in the parking lot when they got back. It appears that the only active 'security' system he had was a battery that kept going dead. On another issue, the fellow spent a LOT of time complaining about how completely unreliable the VW was. Someone should clue him in: reliability is measured in direct proportion to the amount the care / attention / maintenance done. _________________ "If you can't fix it with pop rivets, crazy glue and duct tape, or hold it together with zip ties, velcro or magnets, it REALLY is broken." |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34003 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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The last thing I want when stopped in a bad neighborhood is a car that won't start! My life is worth more to me than my car. |
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Bryan67 Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2003 Posts: 2940 Location: Fresno, Ca.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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Install a locking decklid latch. Unplug the coil wire and lock the decklid. Pretty simple. _________________ If you`re going to do something, do it right. |
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TinCanFab Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 2743 Location: Waterford, California
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runamoc Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 5600 Location: 37.5N 77.1W
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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I have this under the rear seat. Total low current power disconnect. Just twist the red key and take it with you.
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31362 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch |
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Mos6502 wrote: |
"The Club" is not very good deterrent on a modern car with a steering wheel made out of stale cheese that can be sawed through in about 3 seconds, but it's a little better on an old car with hard, solid steering wheel (although I doubt a thief would realize this before trying to cut it, because lack of functioning brain matter). |
I have The Club for all my vehicles. Cops say it's decent, and provides a visual deterrent so a potential thief likely will simply move on to an easier vehicle, won't even bother breaking your window or jammin' your door to break in.
That said: I've also done the "remove rotor" thing on my VW when it will be parked for a while, and put the rotor in my pocket. My engine lid also has a lock. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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