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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:36 pm    Post subject: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

What's up peeps. I just wanted to ask if anyone has installed a kill switch somewhere in the interior of they're vw.
I have a 64 vert and I am always worried someone is gonna steal it. It's an appealing ride. I was thinking of putting something under the seat. Maybe something that can switch off and be removed. Like a key. Any ideas?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Put a fuse inline on the coil wire. Remove the fuse when you park. Car no start.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

flyboy161 wrote:
Put a fuse inline on the coil wire. Remove the fuse when you park. Car no start.


And even with the fuse removed and in your pocket, I could still have your car started in less than two minutes.

A more effective method would be to install a keyed battery cutoff switch, preferably in addition to a rather tamper-resistant battery box. Other ideas would be a good steering lock, gear shift lock, or keep a large dog in the back seat.

In the long run, if somebody really wants to steal your car, there's really not much of anything short of denying them access to the vehicle that will prevent them from taking it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Any switch or simple by-pass for fuel or electric can be quickly circumvented by a talented and knowledgable thief.

It seems like keeping the vehicle secured in a structure is the surest bet. Second to that are the mechanical, more obvious means of locking the steering wheel, gear shift, wheels, or pedals.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

If I'm parked somewhere I'm worried about thieves (almost everywhere, actually) I just discreetly pop off the distributor cap and take the rotor out and put it in my pocket. It would be pretty hard to steal the car then unless the thief is very very smart and has a well stocked auto parts store nearby. (Or a VW tow bar, which would actually work for him very well! Twisted Evil ) But then I imagine he would steal my snowflake tail lights and smash my windows in revenge or something...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

I've always though one of the best methods was a fuel shut off somewhere in the passenger compartment. The thief can steal the car but only drive so far before it runs out of gas. The idea is that no thief will now have the nerve to start working on the car in plain view.
The problem as I see it, cutting into the tunnel and hiding the switch would be no easy task. ( electric pump with a hidden kill switch would accomplish the same thing )
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Take the rotor.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

If a thief wants your car... its as good as gone.. rollback or a chain and another car and done..
Theft deterrent is the first option.. simply make them move on..
Blinking security light, shift lock, steering lock, deck lock, etc..

Pulling the rotor is cheap.. and works fine.

Below is a link to some some good battery disconnect options.
Even a few that are remote and electronic. Some even have a remote to control it.

https://www.ronfrancis.com/products.asp?dept=301

If we start to get into how we disable our cars.. the thieves trolling these forums will gain additional valuable information..

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Professional thief will get your car .
My method stops the amateur BEFORE he breaks your vent window or cuts your convertible top .
BIG ORANGE CHAIN .....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:17 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Doesn't that scratch up the steering wheel?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

In all my air-cooled VWs, I use the following three things:

1) Hella battery shut-off switch installed on battery/starter loop, using removable red key, usually somewhere hidden behind the rear seat on driver's side.

2) Coil shut-off toggle switch, located within driver's reach.

3) Small, keyed Master lock installed on E-brake ratchet mechanism. Pull E-handle up and you'll see an arc-shaped slot beneath it that will accept the lock. With properly adjusted brakes, should be able to barely get lock into slot beneath handle. Make sure you use two nuts on the ends of the E-brake cables as lock nuts. If you're not particular about the E-brake boot, you'll be OK with this one.

Remember, you're using the "lazy factor" of most thieves (they're too lazy to earn their keep) to drive them away or slow them down from stealing your car, but a determined thief can literally steal anything...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

A determined thief with the right resources can steal any car. But most thieves are stupid and lazy and will give up if jamming a screwdriver into the ignition lock doesn't get them what they want.

"The Club" is not very good deterrent on a modern car with a steering wheel made out of stale cheese that can be sawed through in about 3 seconds, but it's a little better on an old car with hard, solid steering wheel (although I doubt a thief would realize this before trying to cut it, because lack of functioning brain matter).

Taking the rotor would frustrate and stop most thieves. An ignition kill switch might deter the laziest and most clueless thief, but anyone with knowledge of how cars work would probably bypass it, assuming they brought along some wire of their own. An electric fuel pump with its own switch would be a little more confusing still, particularly if the thief makes it a block or two before running out of gas. They'd have to have a lot of nerve to keep tinkering then.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Mos6502 wrote:
An electric fuel pump with its own switch would be a little more confusing still, particularly if the thief makes it a block or two before running out of gas. They'd have to have a lot of nerve to keep tinkering then.


For this reason I have advocated an electric solenoid hidden in the fuel line under the car, and a hidden switch. The car will run, but only until the carb bowl (and post-solenoid fuel line) drain, then it will sputter to a stop.

Most thieves want to hightail it as soon as they get it started, so the point they run out of gas is likely to be out in the open on a main road or at least where there are others present. Now they are exposed to a passing good Samaritan or even a cop. They do not want this attention! They will likely dump the car and run. Now you just have to check a 1-2 mile circle from where you left your car, but you will find it.

Of course, a flatbed defeats any of these tricks, so it's not perfect. If you are that worried, a cell-phone linked alert device will tell you when it's moving and you are not nearby, and track it as it's driven.

Even this can be defeated by a car carrier with metal walls, but this kind of resource is not commonly used for our cars!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
Doesn't that scratch up the steering wheel?


NO . The orange is a plastic coating . This chain is available at HD .
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

How about just installing a bad battery?? Recently watched a Jay Leno's Garage episode where he and a 'not familiar to me and IMO not-very-funny' comedian took the comedian's restored 21-window bus for a test drive through what might be termed a 'sketchy' neighborhood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEC7jTF47EM). They stopped for some fast-food with never a mention of the likelihood that the bus might not be in the parking lot when they got back. It appears that the only active 'security' system he had was a battery that kept going dead. On another issue, the fellow spent a LOT of time complaining about how completely unreliable the VW was. Someone should clue him in: reliability is measured in direct proportion to the amount the care / attention / maintenance done.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

The last thing I want when stopped in a bad neighborhood is a car that won't start! My life is worth more to me than my car.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Install a locking decklid latch. Unplug the coil wire and lock the decklid. Pretty simple.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Bryan67 wrote:
Install a locking decklid latch. Unplug the coil wire and lock the decklid. Pretty simple.


This with a locking hood pull make it hard to get at any of the important wiring.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

I have this under the rear seat. Total low current power disconnect. Just twist the red key and take it with you.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Best way to install a kill switch Reply with quote

Mos6502 wrote:
"The Club" is not very good deterrent on a modern car with a steering wheel made out of stale cheese that can be sawed through in about 3 seconds, but it's a little better on an old car with hard, solid steering wheel (although I doubt a thief would realize this before trying to cut it, because lack of functioning brain matter).


I have The Club for all my vehicles. Cops say it's decent, and provides a visual deterrent so a potential thief likely will simply move on to an easier vehicle, won't even bother breaking your window or jammin' your door to break in.

That said: I've also done the "remove rotor" thing on my VW when it will be parked for a while, and put the rotor in my pocket. My engine lid also has a lock.
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