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dannyfiveo Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2015 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:09 am Post subject: Replacing rear quarter panels all the way to drip edge? |
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I have seen where quarter panels are replaced, but usually just halfway up the B pillar. How does the quarter panel attach underneath the drip edge? I want to replace both of them on my bug, but am having a hard time visualizing. From my understanding, the quarter panel is separate from the drip edge, but is spot welded on the inside? The roof meets there, and the drip edge, and then the quarter panel? Can someone point me in the right direction. I am just trying to get an understanding of how the removal and replacement of the entire quarter panel is. Is there a lip on the top of new panels that is spot welded inside? I've attached a few pics for reference.
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17963 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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I would weld it on 1/2" below the drip rail, so I had plenty of room to grind the weld without gouging the drip rail. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
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Bret2094 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2012 Posts: 665 Location: Linden, Texas or College Station Texas
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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just be warned that that replacement panel has a vent wing hole that only appeared starting in 1971. if your car is older than that, you will have to weld that crescent hole up solid. Welcome to the samba btw
Bret _________________ 1959 baja beetle ragtop( going back to Full body)
1959 beetle
1960 Beetle frame Custom buggy
1962 Karmann Ghia
1967 beetle( august 66, first car)
1967 beetle (parts car)
1977 Westfalia Camper
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VWCOOL Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 1821 Location: Down under
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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replace the lower 2/3 of the panel... cut off the new panel half way up the B and C pillars (for you, below the half-moon vent in the new panel)
Less welding, easier repair as you have a join in flat surfaces to grind down and refinish... especially if you are a 110 percent beginner |
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dannyfiveo Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2015 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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It seems most everyone cuts off the lower 2/3rds of the quarter panel, and then welds the new one in. But, if I wanted to replace the entire panel, how does it meet up under the drip edge, and how do you go about removing it and re-installing it? Lots of articles out there on replacing the lower half, but I can't find anything about pulling the entire panel off, and re installing a new one. |
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far rider Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2005 Posts: 770 Location: Rutland, VT
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:34 am Post subject: |
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dannyfiveo wrote: |
It seems most everyone cuts off the lower 2/3rds of the quarter panel, and then welds the new one in. But, if I wanted to replace the entire panel, how does it meet up under the drip edge, and how do you go about removing it and re-installing it? Lots of articles out there on replacing the lower half, but I can't find anything about pulling the entire panel off, and re installing a new one. |
My guess is the upper areas seldom need replacement. In most cases it's rust that demands the lower replacement. If it were me I would leave as much of the original as possible. Why create more work? _________________ 67 zenith blue sunroof
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dannyfiveo Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2015 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:40 am Post subject: |
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far rider wrote: |
dannyfiveo wrote: |
It seems most everyone cuts off the lower 2/3rds of the quarter panel, and then welds the new one in. But, if I wanted to replace the entire panel, how does it meet up under the drip edge, and how do you go about removing it and re-installing it? Lots of articles out there on replacing the lower half, but I can't find anything about pulling the entire panel off, and re installing a new one. |
My guess is the upper areas seldom need replacement. In most cases it's rust that demands the lower replacement. If it were me I would leave as much of the original as possible. Why create more work? |
My understanding is that it is just spot welded in place. So, popping all the spot welds off and putting a brand new piece in would be preferable to say cutting it across and joining it by butt welding the new and old together. I'm not sure I am following on how plug welding/spot welding a new piece in is creating more work than butting old and new pieces together. So, how does it meet below the drip edge? Is it spot welded in place before the roof is installed at the factory, and you can't access those welds without removing the roof? I'm not trying to be dense or a dick, just trying to understand why if I have a full quarter panel section, why wouldnt I utilize the entire thing. |
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:29 am Post subject: |
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the 1/4 panel is attached under the drip rails. It is a lot more work to do it the way you want that is why most cut & weld together old to new. There was a post on this & I added some vintage factory pictures to see how the car was assembled at the factory. _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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VWCOOL Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 1821 Location: Down under
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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dannyfiveo wrote: |
It seems most everyone cuts off the lower 2/3rds of the quarter panel, and then welds the new one in. But, if I wanted to replace the entire panel, how does it meet up under the drip edge, and how do you go about removing it and re-installing it? Lots of articles out there on replacing the lower half, but I can't find anything about pulling the entire panel off, and re installing a new one. |
A chopped-up body reveals a three- or four-way gang-bang of metal going on under that drip rail: Outer quarter, drip rail, cant-rail (what the headlining attaches to - it may be the same piece of metal as the drip rail fold-over) and inner quarter. So... Unfold the roof seams/drip rails, drill out spot welds in rear window aperture, lift the turret to access interior of cant rails, drill out the quarter/cant rail/inner side spot welds. Unpick welds at B pillar and C pillar/engine bay sides etc to replace...
said respectfully....if you have to ask, you will have BIG dramas with this task as it involves almost complete disassembly of the turret. so it might be best to perform the 'easy' (and no less effective, or tradesman-like) sectional repair that has been suggested by others
Here's what we mean:
https://www.facebook.com/GTBeetles/photos/a.540911...mp;theater
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slfisherf1 Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2015 Posts: 23 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Replacing rear quarter panels all the way to drip edge? |
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Fiveo: Where did you get your quarter panel. I can;t find replacement. Everything behind the vent window on mine down to the fender line is holed through so I need to do major replacement. Building a patch from scratch for this area looks really difficult. Starting with a whole panel and cutting out what I need a lot easier. I've some lower down damage also but everything below to window to almost the bottom is solid. |
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fwillison Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2012 Posts: 119 Location: Tulsa
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