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delawareR32 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2015 Posts: 6 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:52 am Post subject: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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hello folks.. I am new to the forum, so first thing is hello! I am looking for some opinions/help on what the value of a engine is that I have in storage. It was a good running motor when it was purchased.. It has been stored in a dry building for +45 years, but and was removed before that ... not 100% sure I want to part with it, but it was for a project that hasn't happened. I am still working my way through stuff, to get it out and ready for sale.. What I do know is it is a 528/2, 1500 Super... the serial falls in the '55 batch, it still sits as original as it was when stored with the Hirth crank still in. I don't see any complete engines online, or a lot of them out there and even less info on what they are worth. although I did maybe get an idea. My thought is to get out, inspect, lub, fire it up... or send it out to a yet to be determined shop, have it gone through, documented and cleaned up. Then put it up for auction on ebay. I also have an early 356A 519 gearbox that I thing is in good shape also store for 45-50years. unrestored, needs new boots and a little cleaning but looks pretty good. I have an idea what I think its worth but opinions on that are also welcome. Thanks in advance for you input |
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2038 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:58 am Post subject: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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Welcome to the forum. I have a couple of questions. 1. Was the engine run on any sort of a regular basis while it was stored, or has it just sat for 45 years? 2. This is just my own personal bias, but I would not want a Hirth roller crank in my engine. I have had many 356 mechanics whose opinions I trust tell me that a plain bearing crank (which Porsche subsequently used) is a much better way to go. An excellent source of advise on the 356 forum is Jack Staggs--I hope he sees your post and comments on it. Maybe he is not anti roller crank--to be fair there aren't very many Hirths around anymore but if anyone knows the ins and outs of these engines, he does. Good luck! |
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delawareR32 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2015 Posts: 6 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, It has not been run, its been sitting unused... I realize that the Hirth is only going to be for those select few(racing) because of the oiling, but if I'm not mistaking this this could also be swapped out with the standard crank fairly easy. |
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:49 pm Post subject: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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Sounds like the engine should be gone over. I would definitely replace the roller crank with a plain bearing unit. I hope the engine isn't locked up from sitting so long. Again, best of luck and let us know how it turns out. |
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James Davies Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2013 Posts: 141 Location: Baltimore, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Post some photos. There's some value in the case since it's a 528/2 and Porsche only produced a few hundred of these engines for 1 year. But a lot of the value in Porsche engines is the correct ancillaries and of course a correct rebuild. If it turns over by hand with the plugs out, then that's great. If not... |
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delawareR32 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2015 Posts: 6 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:59 am Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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I dug it out and hasn't been tested, complete execpt it is still missing just one piece of tin for transaxle side. still looking
20151015_165220 by jwood2673, on Flickr
20151016_152955 by jwood2673, on Flickr
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James Davies Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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Engine looks great! Looks completely original except for the fuel pump and the voltage regulator which have both been replaced with later versions. Very nice. Worth quite a bit I suspect. Certainly 5 figures or more.
Would love to see some more photos of the details of the carbs and the Fram oil filter canister (stickers and oil line fittings especially). Also the rubber bits holding the balance tube onto the carb manifolds. Thanks for sharing! |
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delawareR32 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2015 Posts: 6 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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i think everything is actually correct, but we didn't get this engine until the mid 60's so i could be wrong... I'm sorry the only other pic i have right now is the fram sticker on top. I am currently resting a bad back, but as soon as i can, I will take more photos. I have to finish up and sell a car to make room to go go through this motor. plan is to reove the sump verify the Hirth crank is still in there, scope the bores, document everthing and fire it up...then do leak down and compression tests so i have a better idea of what i will be selling. Thanks for your input..
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SplitPersonality Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:42 am Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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delawareR32: Please check your pm-box. |
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mr white Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2005 Posts: 1193 Location: beautiful Oregon & Mohave County, AZ
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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I too am curious about the verdict here. I have an April 55 528/2 1500 motor that runs. |
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James Davies Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2013 Posts: 141 Location: Baltimore, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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Thanks for the extra photo if the canister. I have a 546/2 engine from the exact same time period as this 528/2, and all the details are very similar, including the very short use of the P-xxxxx* format of the engine number. Earlier engines used P-xxxxx and later engines in '55 used P*xxxxx*.
Interesting that your canister has Fram Merz-Werk stickers on it, as it appears to be a DFG Fram canister. Background: Fram is a US company (Rhode Island) that licensed two German companies to make canisters that took the Fram filter elements. Both Merz-Werk and Deutch Filter Ges. made canisters for Fram and were provided on Porsche engines from the factory starting intermittently in 1953, and then consistently from '54 onward. Most of the canisters I've seen in '55 were the Merz-Werk ones with a convoluted lid. Yours has a smooth lid, which was characteristic of the DFG ones. Yet it has Merz-Werk stickers on top, which makes me think the Porsche engine guy just grabbed a canister and grabbed a sticker without regard. Both must have been on the shelves at the same time. I would be interested to find out if the lower sticker on the orange part of the canister has DFG or Merz-Werk. =) |
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delawareR32 Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2015 Posts: 6 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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I have read in other situations there seems to be a lot of the used what was closest at the time... I'm not near the engine, but will take a look at the lower sticker asap, I don't recall. interesting P-xxxxx* |
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delawareR32 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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Rolandducommun Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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hello, guys some body can answer me about the deep stick
some 528 have the deep stick hanging on the shroud . why? and how to check the oil? |
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wheel607 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2347 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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Deep stick? _________________ Jack Staggs
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356pre-a Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2018 Posts: 22 Location: DE
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:44 am Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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prolly dipstick |
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Richard Roth Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:16 am Post subject: Re: 528\2 1500 Super engine value |
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Because the sender for the oil temp. gauge goes in the dipstick hole.
So they store the actual dipstick on the oil filter bracket.
You just pull out the sender and use the original dipstick to check the oil. _________________ The problem with reality is that there's no background music !
1966 Empi GTV MKIV
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